Wellington City Council, parking charges. MAG-NZ correspondence

[IdunBrokdItAgin]

Lot of people outside of wellington commenting on this issue which is good but some of the opinions are just plain incorrect.

Wellington residents have to apply (and pay) for residential on street parking permits (within wellington city). They do not pay for parking through their rates. Hence ratepayers are not subsidising free motorbike parking in Wellington.

[Hitcher]

Hence ratepayers are not subsidising free motorbike parking in Wellington.

Are you serious? Who then are you suggesting pays for the provision of these amenities?

[IdunBrokdItAgin]

Are you serious? Who then are you suggesting pays for the provision of these amenities?

No more than parking your bike, for free, on the road anywhere within the wellington region.

The statement is true - there is no subsidising of motorbike parking within the CBD by ratepayers.

There is however a lost revenue opportunity to the council but this arose due to their use of pay and display machines which has already been pointed out.

[apes]

Are you serious? Who then are you suggesting pays for the provision of these amenities?

according to the council, the bike parks are in areas not suitable for car spaces, and like the car spaces are an area to the side of the road, as such the tarmac was already there, the curbstones were already there, the only extras are the paint and the pole.
if as unsurprisingly has been stated the parking fees go into topping up the rates, then this is the council admitting they are not raising sufficient through the rates and the parking fees are just a stealth top up tax, in which case no small wonder the council would want to find a reason to charge bikes to park

[Eyegasm]

Apes, Is your shift key broken? Capitals wouldn't go amiss.

One question I do have is that if they do start charging for bikes to park, will that
void the by-law that is in place?

But as someone has already stated attaching the slips is almost impossible on a bike.

[sinned]

Apes, Is your shift key broken? Capitals wouldn't go amiss.

One question I do have is that if they do start charging for bikes to park, will that
void the by-law that is in place?

But as someone has already stated attaching the slips is almost impossible on a bike.

Changing a by-law shouldn't be difficult for the council

A payment machine with payment for numbered motorcycle parks is how car parking is paid for in some towns in NZ and how motorcycle parking is managed in parts of Europe. Sure the paper based system is not suitable for motorcycle parking but there are a few other options that I am sure the council is considering.




Pic of pay per bay for parking in Nice.

[Pixie]

I just skimmed through this thread.
So much " Oooh mustn't upset the bureaucrats"

What a lot of fuggin' wimps - no wonder the national emblem is a white feather.

[BMWST?]

Lot of people outside of wellington commenting on this issue which is good but some of the opinions are just plain incorrect.

Wellington residents have to apply (and pay) for residential on street parking permits (within wellington city). They do not pay for parking through their rates. Hence ratepayers are not subsidising free motorbike parking in Wellington.

according to the council, the bike parks are in areas not suitable for car spaces, and like the car spaces are an area to the side of the road, as such the tarmac was already there, the curbstones were already there, the only extras are the paint and the pole.
if as unsurprisingly has been stated the parking fees go into topping up the rates, then this is the council admitting they are not raising sufficient through the rates and the parking fees are just a stealth top up tax, in which case no small wonder the council would want to find a reason to charge bikes to park

and who paid(pays) for all the amentities in the first place?(including tarmac and kerbstones)

[Ocean1]

and who paid(pays) for all the amentities in the first place?(including tarmac and kerbstones)

Again, based on my last rates demand I fucking do.

[Hailwood]

Ok having wasted a part of my life reading 5 pages of this thread, I have got the following from it (correct me if I am wrong):

This thread turned into a bitch fight because someone dared to question someone from the all powerful MAGNZ (whoever they are)

MAGNZ claim to be acting for all motorcyclists - but I am a motorcyclist and have no idea of who they are

Some people dont realise that providing parking for motorcyclists costs money to creat these spaces with tarmac, paint, poles etc and this cost comes from........WELLINGTON RATEPAYERS like me

Free parking in Wellington has not been a right as long as I can remember and I have been riding for over 30 years. Its a priviledge that the council have provided so far...nothing more nothing less.

The threat of parking a bike per car space as a protest is against the council bylaw and would likely see vehicles towed by the council.

Heres my suggestion for what its worth.... MAGNZ (NoNoNo or whoever you are)..get off your high horse and actually listen to the views of well respected people here. Dont treat the council workers with contempt when attempting to argue (as from your comments here you cant discuss) with them. They actually have no say in this..you should be dealing with the decision makers..surely this is the first step in negotiation? Deal with those that make the decisions??? Also please dont make sweeping comments such as we represent the motorcyclists of Wellington or NZ...how do you know? I bet there are many motorcyclists out there who dont even know who or what you are...just my views and suggestions anyway.....

[bogan]

Ok having wasted a part of my life reading 5 pages of this thread, I have got the following from it (correct me if I am wrong):

This thread turned into a bitch fight because someone dared to question someone from the all powerful MAGNZ (whoever they are)

MAGNZ claim to be acting for all motorcyclists - but I am a motorcyclist and have no idea of who they are

Some people dont realise that providing parking for motorcyclists costs money to creat these spaces with tarmac, paint, poles etc and this cost comes from........WELLINGTON RATEPAYERS like me

Free parking in Wellington has not been a right as long as I can remember and I have been riding for over 30 years. Its a priviledge that the council have provided so far...nothing more nothing less.

The threat of parking a bike per car space as a protest is against the council bylaw and would likely see vehicles towed by the council.

Heres my suggestion for what its worth.... MAGNZ (NoNoNo or whoever you are)..get off your high horse and actually listen to the views of well respected people here. Dont treat the council workers with contempt when attempting to argue (as from your comments here you cant discuss) with them. They actually have no say in this..you should be dealing with the decision makers..surely this is the first step in negotiation? Deal with those that make the decisions??? Also please dont make sweeping comments such as we represent the motorcyclists of Wellington or NZ...how do you know? I bet there are many motorcyclists out there who dont even know who or what you are...just my views and suggestions anyway.....

Firstly, here's our site and heres a bit about some recent changes for us if you want to find out more about MAG-NZ

As stated earlier, we don't claim to represent all motorcyclists, but do endevour to do what is best for motorcycling in NZ by promoting action when bikers feel there is an issue encroaching on their right to ride.

It's a pretty narrow view to assume this issue boils down to purely pavement space, why would the council worker bring up accident stats and fuel emmisions/use if that were the case?

The views here are somewhat divided, unless your horse is higher an offers a better view?

[Hitcher]

I just skimmed through this thread.
So much " Oooh mustn't upset the bureaucrats"

There's no harm in bothering bureaucrats if you're mounting a sensible and reasoned argument.

[Swatty]

"The threat of parking a bike per car space as a protest is against the council bylaw and would likely see vehicles towed by the council."

I've checked the signs and pay and display machines. No mention that you can't park a bike. So if ticketed have our day in court, its an easy win.
A car driver had his tickets cancelled for parking on the Terrace all day because the sign saying you have to pay could not be read from his parked car. So if its not displayed that you can't park a motorcycle any parking ticket is not enfocreable.

[Hailwood]

"The threat of parking a bike per car space as a protest is against the council bylaw and would likely see vehicles towed by the council."

I've checked the signs and pay and display machines. No mention that you can't park a bike. So if ticketed have our day in court, its an easy win.
A car driver had his tickets cancelled for parking on the Terrace all day because the sign saying you have to pay could not be read from his parked car. So if its not displayed that you can't park a motorcycle any parking ticket is not enfocreable.

Nice try but as mentioned several times on this site (use the search function) its illegal to park motorcycles in these spaces....so good luck with that

[Mully]

Using a bike per carpark is old skool. And, possibly a good way to get your bike towed (and potentially damaged)

Wellington motorcycle commuters need to forgo the bike for the day and commute in a cage. Then park (legally) in the carparks.

Then bring to the attention of the elected councillors that this is the reason.

Honestly, I bet those people who bitch at council desk jockeys are the same type of people who bitch at gas station staff about the price of petrol.