MNZ board nominations

[Dodgy]

Why doesnt watchman either tell us who he is, or just fuck off back under his rock?

[watchman]

Because one of the current Presidential nominations is pretty much responsible for what has happened with the class, I will give you a clue so you can work it out, it wasn't Chris

really, how any one can state this with a straight face reduces me to mirth, especially when chris states sorry scrivy who is after all the spokesperson for chris that he gets on with every one .
why didnt chris direct his efforts at reaching a workible compromise with mnz,after all if chris as president of sidecar association speaks for all members surely it was in their interests to get on board with the mnz board to provide racingfor their class, of course you only wouldnt do this if it didnt fit your agenda,it being fairly obvious at the agm apparantly that scrivy had a very big agenda.

[The Chow]

Ian, by no means was that a shot at you, i remember being at school and coming with Dad to by tyres off you, and you would be part of the very few in that group as well, and your continued commitment to the road race champs is awesome, live updates is v.ery cool, wish someone would do it for the mx nats as well,

Hey mate got you PM , but tried sending response , but not sure if it went. go to the website www.nzsbk.com and email through that address

[watchman]

Why doesnt watchman either tell us who he is, or just fuck off back under his rock?

why ? are we feeling threatened, all those unwise conversations people have had,
all those thinely veiled threats to elther do it our way , or we know best ,or my absolute favourite Tuckerman did it because we said he did it. im sure more than a few others in association have heard that one.

[watchman]

I was at the AGM Andrew asked a number of questions - which is what the AGM is for isn't it ?

I also asked some - I was not convinced by the answers to any of mine or Andrews.

I didn't think either of us made "dicks" of ourselves.

Would you care to tell ME who you are ?

Kevin Waugh.

as i was not at the agm perhaps you could ask your questions on here with the answers given and why you werent satified and then the board could comment

[Dodgy]

Oh great, the names 'Prat' apparently...

[Dodgy]

Honestly, why or how could I feel threatened by an anonymous poster??

If I wanted to say something positive or negative about Jim, I will do so. I think that he is a rather angry and inept man, and that is an opinion that I have formed from some actions and behaviours that I have seen. But this isn't actually about opinion is it - it is about hiding behind an anonymous alias.

[watchman]

not really getting defensive, I just think its fair that people are upfront about who they are, i started this thread so people can get an idea of what the candidates stand for, so people can make an informed decision on who they want to vote for

by your posts making statements about Andy on Chris in this thread, it seems you have made up your mind on who you are voting for, (if you are a member of MNZ), you have accused them of making money out of something in the guise of a club run meeting, its a big call to make,

if you do not want to post your name, that's your call, but I think a hell of a lot less about opinion's and statements when they are done with out names attached, esp when they turn up just on these threads only at this time of year

sorry my fault to turn up at this time of year ,will try and join other forums only at the start of financial years without elections in them ,probably wouldnt have joined this one but members of my blended family who live overseas found themselves at a race meeting recently as competitors, nd comments were made about the nz racing scene, as my partner has other family members here racing on 3 wheels she feels unable to cope with the degree of nastiness that is prevailing in the families sport of choice ,by giving my name ,PAT short for patrick which is not an aliasbut what i am commonly known as i thought i covered the situation .

[Crasherfromwayback]

,by giving my name ,PAT short for patrick

Thanks for clearing that up. I thought it was short for Patricia.

[watchman]

Honestly, why or how could I feel threatened by an anonymous poster??

If I wanted to say something positive or negative about Jim, I will do so. I think that he is a rather angry and inept man, and that is an opinion that I have formed from some actions and behaviours that I have seen. But this isn't actually about opinion is it - it is about hiding behind an anonymous alias.

of course you would ,an angry and inept man ,loved the quote ,isnt it strange that people always feel threatened by someone who achieves much, ive done some investigation you obviously have not.
how does someone who is inept take mnz from a budgeted loss to a 200k profit,lead me to that level of ineptnes,how does someone who is inept rewrite training manuals., give seminars ,deal with the industry, govt departments,
a fellow motorcyclist looked me out the endorsement from suzuki he got last time he stood, as i got questioned about steve bron thought id better look up background. Are you suggestioning senior management at suzuki cant tell a persons inept???? why is it that people in the industry can see vison and committment and all you can see is inept?????????

[scrivy]

Oh goody, Mr Watchmans back!

see scrivy ,its very hard to take what you say seriously when you come out with statements like the above.for this to have happened in the way you suggest implies the rest of the board let it happen, were in fact compliant in letting it happen, but nowhere on this thread have i seen you take any of them to task over it,
That's correct Watchman. This thread was not intended as a bitchfest - so why should I use it to bag all of MNZ???
But if you must know, a MNZ officer did contact me regarding the incident, and admitted JT had made an error. Also the MNZ Board did not investigate the incident fully, rather relying solely on JT's decision as being final!
Should we also mention the Bryce Meads suspension too? And who used his own discretion and rules, and directly contacted the Meads' without Board input, and more importantly without a grievance procedure being followed.
I can go on about other issues Watchman without any overriding Board input, but is that what this thread is about??

it implies that they are all 4 of them weak willed and obviously in such a state as to be unable to protest , or raise concerns, yet no one has challenged either of the 2 board members up for re-election implying i think satisfaction in their performance.
I think you began the bitchfest on this thread Watchman. No one seems interested with attacking the Board members.

love the we wernt going to be bullied !! really isnt that what you do so well. in an earlier post you said id obviously been told the wrong information, perhaps theres a few conversations over the past few years you have obviously forgotten

Can you tell me 1 persons name who I have bullied.
Oh, I can say, I've never had the police knocking at my door........

Scrivy

[Drew]

Fuck sakes! Do we need another thread started in the interest of getting some direct responses from the candidates, so that "Pat" (whoever the hell he might be) can go on making a cock of himself in this one and the rest of us don't need to read it?

[scrivy]

really, how any one can state this with a straight face reduces me to mirth, especially when chris states sorry scrivy who is after all the spokesperson for chris that he gets on with every one .
Name me someone who doesn't get on with Chris. Go on, you're really in tune with everything, tell me just one name. Only one name out of the 1000's of MNZ members, all I want is one name. You can give me just one name can't you. Surely??


why didnt chris direct his efforts at reaching a workible compromise with mnz,after all if chris as president of sidecar association speaks for all members surely it was in their interests to get on board with the mnz board to provide racingfor their class, of course you only wouldnt do this if it didnt fit your agenda,it being fairly obvious at the agm apparantly that scrivy had a very big agenda.

WTF???? Dude, you make me laugh! Chris hasn't been the president of the NZSRA for years!!! I'm disappointed Watchman, I thought you were up with the pace. You clearly don't know everything after all!!
Chris didn't even race last year, and had some pretty big operations also, which put him out of the scene for awhile too.
My agenda?? Again, as I've stated before, I didn't even do the Nats for 2 years. I certainly did not tell anyone to not do them!! People in our sport are adults - they can certainly make up their own minds! Just to remind you, I am not even on the NZSRA committee, so other members don't heed anything I say!
AGM? Yes I did ask alot of questions too. I (like Wharfy) was not convinced by the answers given also. Being a MNZ member, I am actually entitled to ask questions of MNZ at an AGM. But you wouldn't be aware of that, as you are not a MNZ member, so I forgive you for your lack of understanding.

Scrivy

[sidecar bob]

Seems Pat has selectively not answered a couple of questions asked of him on here too.
Odd that the only strong supporter of the current president on here has an angry belligerent & abrasive manner & is also the only one hiding behind an alias & refusing to come out.
I think that speaks volumes.
Obviously this individual wants to keep a foot in both camps & would prefer to circulate amongst us a a two faced prat, than just come out, be straight up & grow a spine.
Being angry & shouty makes you about as right as running down a field with your arms out makes you a topdressing plane.
Oh, and the NZSRA President is Mr Michael Wolland, if nothing else, youre not real bright Pat.

[wharfy]

as i was not at the agm perhaps you could ask your questions on here with the answers given and why you werent satified and then the board could comment

So you weren't at the AGM but you were prepared to say that Andrew made a "dick" of himself ? Who told you that ? Did they tell you I made a "dick" of myself as well by asking questions ? It must be an impeccable source if you are prepared to repeat the story in a public forum.

There is little point in repeating the questions, but if you ARE interested, the questions and answers are in the minutes of the AGM ( that you should have received by now if you are an MNZ member ).


So Pat ( is that short for patsy ? ) I have to say that as far as I am concerned you have ZERO credibility and your "opinion" is not worth a pinch of shit.


Kevin Waugh.