MNZ board nominations

[Kevin G]

While it may not be a paid position, i understand it is an all expenses paid position.
To this end, I understand that at least one senior "volunteer" of MNZ has on occasions travelled internationally in the airline's first class section while on MNZ business.
Can you or any other forum user confirm if this is indeed the case?

Hi.
I am not sure who you refer to but I can categorically state that during this boards tenure that first class travel has most definitely not occurred. Our President has attending FIM conferences as that is part of his job but not in first class, I can assure you your information is wrong.
When you say all expenses paid we are reimbursed for out of pocket expenses such as travel, accommodation etc when on board business, usually all the arrangements are made through the office. The most valuable thing is time that is given and no $$ are paid for this.

[budda]

While it may not be a paid position, i understand it is an all expenses paid position.

WOOOOOOHOOOOOOOO - I feel a cheque coming on !!!!!!!!!!!

Bob, your understanding is erogenous OOPS, make that erroneous. While there is facility for reimbursement of reasonable expenses, I personally dont know of ANY MNZ senior management ( including Stewards ) who make full use of this.

Speaking only for myself, it would have been cheaper to RACE this Season than be the Commissioner. The Board and Commissioners put IN, not take OUT - believe it !

[denill]

Hi.
I am not sure who you refer to but I can categorically state that during this boards tenure that first class travel has most definitely not occurred. Our President has attending FIM conferences as that is part of his job but not in first class, I can assure you your information is wrong.

Your comment referred to First Class?

There is a difference between Business Class and First class but I would not expect board members on MNZ duties to fly long distance in Cattle Class. It would be BC - or I'm not going.

[Dodgy]

Your comment referred to First Class?

There is a difference between Business Class and First class but I would not expect board members on MNZ duties to fly long distance in Cattle Class. It would be BC - or I'm not going.

Shit, really?? When I fly for my clients or my previous employer, I flew economy - even to Europe. It was easier to get Koru (and better value due to the opportunity to network). I thought that only parliament still had their noses in the business class trough...

[Kevin G]

MNZ have unfortunately set a precident here Kevin.
Can you explain what part of the Code of Conduct rule Bryce infringed please.
If you choose to use this rule, rather than a MNZ manual rule, then it subsequently gives the power solely to MNZ with NO hearing, NO appeal, and NO recourse for the defendant, other than as you say, the Sports Tribunal.
Gee, that's alot easier than using the rulebook then, no protesting, no appeals, no hearings, no comeback!! You can pick on anyone you see fit to, and members can do jack shit about it!
That is so one sided Kevin that I don't believe it even abides to MNZs mission statement of being 'Fun, Safe and Fair'.
Can you please provide me the minutes of the Board meeting where this was discussed by the Board, and the outcome that was determined by the Board. You know my e-mail address. Please don't make me wait for 7 1/2 weeks again for correspondence, as JT did when providing me with last years Board meeting minutes.

If the Board were so adamant that Bryce was to be penalised by his supposed massive breach of the Code of Conduct rule (even without obtaining his explanation of the events), then why did the MNZ Board absolutely ignore 100% a police complaint against JT for an assault he made against an MNZ members family member? This is clearly stated as a breach of the code of conduct rule. Also, what was the Board's outcome on the Code of Conduct charge laid against JT by an MNZ member due to the above incident?
There certainly seems to me to be double standards by the Board and the current President. Transparency is what is asked for by MNZ members, but currently we are just treated like mushrooms.

I await your reply.

Scrivy

As stated earlier I am not going into details on here re code of conduct issues.

Any issue involving the police have nothing to do with MNZ. The police are the higher power and if any complaint goes to the police it is taken out of our hands.

The code of conduct rules and policy were established and have been in place for many years, long before this board was elected.

If you want board minutes you know the process, contact the office.

Kevin

[sidecar bob]

Hi.
I am not sure who you refer to but I can categorically state that during this boards tenure that first class travel has most definitely not occurred. Our President has attending FIM conferences as that is part of his job but not in first class, I can assure you your information is wrong.
When you say all expenses paid we are reimbursed for out of pocket expenses such as travel, accommodation etc when on board business, usually all the arrangements are made through the office. The most valuable thing is time that is given and no $$ are paid for this.

Thankyou to yourself & budda for clearing that up. Better that than to propogate a lie.
Budda, erogenous first class?? is that where you lay back in a comfy chair & the hostess nibbles your ear lobe?

[Crasherfromwayback]

As stated earlier I am not going into details on here re code of conduct issues.

Any issue involving the police have nothing to do with MNZ. The police are the higher power and if any complaint goes to the police it is taken out of our hands.

Kevin

Why not?

And why is that? My employer would like to know and would say they have a right to know about any pending police charges against me. And if I was found guilty of say drink driving...they could fire me on the spot if it went against their beliefs. Surely IF someone high up in MNZ was involved in an assult of an MNZ members family, MNZ could act on it IF they wanted to?

[scrivy]

Why not?

And why is that? My employer would like to know and would say they have a right to know about any pending police charges against me. And if I was found guilty of say drink driving...they could fire me on the spot if it went against their beliefs. Surely IF someone high up in MNZ was involved in an assult of an MNZ members family, MNZ could act on it IF they wanted to?

Damn straight!!
The Board totally swept it under the carpet!!

Imagine a president of any other organisation assaulting a member of a financial members family. As I said earlier, this was serious enough to be taken up by the police! So why not the Board of MNZ??? The MNZ Code of conduct rule applies to all members - of which Jim Tuckerman is one.
I would have thought this was far more serious than the Bryce Meads situation!
If a Board member was involved instead of JT, do you think he'd still be on the Board?? NOT!!

And Watchman accuses me of bullying................... that's a laugh!
Let's see, Ray Whitham, the Paeora car window incident and now a police complaint.
This is conduct unbecoming of a figurehead for our sport.

What next??

[BJT666]

Good afternoon,

Clearly you like living in the past Mr Scrivener. "The longer ago it was, the faster I went, EH"

You mention incidents which are over two years old, actually before I was elected President the first time.

I stand by my achievements as President of MNZ.

While I have been President, MNZ has moved from loosing $100k (but revalueing the property to hide it) to making a $200K plus profit. Too be fair that is mainly due to the restructure (Two less staff members) however the Office is today more efficient than it has evere been. Staff can turn around a licence renewal in 48 hours, when in the past MNZ has employed extra staff and still took two weeks to process a licence.
Under the current Board and Commissions, MNZ has run successful Supercross, Motocross and Road Race Championships, all of which recieved significant TV coverage. Along with Trials, ATVs.Enduro and Cross Country Champs.

MNZ for the first time in the thirty-five odd years I have been involved, are being recognised by Govenment departments such as ACC and the Labour Dept.

We now have a comprehensive "Officials Training" programme, which i am proud to say has come about through my contacts with my counterparts in the FIM.

So let's look to improving MNZ not going backwards

All you seem to be doing Mr Scrivener is throwing dirt, old dirt at that.

Why are we not hearing from Mr. Lawrance telling us what he is going to achieve

[BJT666]

My first question was " was there a process to remove the CEO position ?"

Having been the subject of a number of "re-structures" I was acutely aware how unpleasant it is for those being re-structured and was after some assurance that there was a proper process in place and that it was followed. While the main motive was to be assured that there was minimum amount of trauma for those involved I was also concerned that if a proper process was not followed MNZ could face a potentially embarrassing and expensive legal battle (my motives were not entirely altruistic).

Mr Conaghan's reply was simply that the board of MNZ was authorized to "manage the employment". Which didn't actually answer the question.

I then asked "had there been a process for establishing the position of CEO ?" but nobody seemed to know the answer to that. (I notice it is not recorded in the minutes).

I was far from satisfied, however the motion was moved, seconded and carried and I would not have raised it again except that the mysterious "Pat the watchman" (or his informant as he wasn't even there) seemed to think that asking questions at the AGM amounted to "making a dick of yourself".

All this is of course "off the topic" of this thread so to get back "on topic" I do have a serious question for you.

In your election flier asking for my vote you state that you have several projects that you would like to complete.

Would you please give us some details of exactly what those projects are and how they will benefit the MNZ members ?

Kevin Waugh

Afternoon Kevin,

It can be extremely frustrating dealing with the posters on this site, who are clearly sitting at their computers with a six pack or a few 'Woodys' happily winding people up.


As one who has also been through a re-structure, I can appreciate your concerns.
Please be assured that for MNZ's re-structure, a professional organisation was commissioned to complete the task and all care was taken around the employees involved.

Anyway moving on. Thank you for your positive question.

Over the last two years, things at MNZ have changed dramatically. We have moved from running at a loss and budgeting for a further loss, to running at a reasonable profit.
We have also moved certain areas of our Sport forward; one being the ‘sport’ is run by the Commissions, not by the Office or the Board.

I personally have spent several months creating a new "Officials Training" system, which includes all Official not just Stewards.
This will improve the skill level of all officials and should benefit members by them having better run meetings.
We have been developing a “Coaching for Coaches” programme which once trialled should be a great asset to all Clubs and their members.

These are just a couple of the programmes that have been started and it would be good to see them through.
Like most things in Motorcycling if someone isn’t driving it, it simply doesn’t get done.

BJT666 - Jim Tuckerman

[scrivy]

Good afternoon,

Clearly you like living in the past Mr Scrivener. "The longer ago it was, the faster I went, EH"
Its more like 'The older I am the fast I get'..... but anyway......

You mention incidents which are over two years old, actually before I was elected President the first time.
Actually, wrong again Jim.
You have a way of misconstruing and twisting the truth, as per some other people on here also. I simply state FACT. I don't make up lies. I'll leave that for Watchman.
The assault incident took place last year at H.D. not long before the AGM - while you were President of our sport. Not 2 years ago as you state.

The truth please Jim.

All you seem to be doing Mr Scrivener is throwing dirt, old dirt at that.
Actually answering questions and clearing up the facts so people can make an informed decission.

[scrivy]

So let's look to improving MNZ not going backwards

Amen to that!

So, in response to my original question, who nominated you this time around Jim? It was a nomination requirement to advise.

[scrivy]

My first question was " was there a process to remove the CEO position ?"
Mr Conaghan's reply was simply that the board of MNZ was authorized to "manage the employment". Which didn't actually answer the question.
I was far from satisfied, however the motion was moved, seconded and carried.

Kevin Waugh

Hi Kevin,

Does the following sound like it happened at the AGM in response to a process being involved?
I know it didn't, and I know I stood up and made a mention of the breach of Constitution number also.

18.0 ALTERATIONS TO CONSTITUTION
18.1 With the exception of Rule 19, these rules may be rescinded, altered or added to by resolution by a two-thirds
majority vote at any AGM Meeting or Special General Meeting of which notice has been duly given, such notice
must contain particulars of the proposed alteration. For avoidance of doubt, a proposed rescission or alteration may
be amended or otherwise modified at any AGM or Special General Meeting.

Scrivy

[Drew]

Andy, you're a clever bastard and speak very well about your concerns. I think though that your point is made. The current board are less than enthusiastic in giving straight answers regarding Bryce Meads probation, or what grounds they put him on there with.

I'm not too flash on that, but I wasn't expecting much different, nor would I realistically expect any different from Mr Lawrence since I don't think we've met and as far as I know, he could just be guy with his own agenda. (You're vouching for him does give him more credibility than that of course).

Perhaps Chris could tell us weather he would continue with the current long game Jim has in play regarding training and shit for officials and club reps.

[jellywrestler]

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