MNZ board nominations

[jellywrestler]

A DJ and a freestyle rider to entertain while the pick up truck goes out or the ambo goes out or something..

Morris Dancers at high noon

[ashracer]

What a great read this thread has been, i have read all 31 pages. I will be back about 10pm friday night. The alter ego Pat Watchman might appear after a few beers about then for a rant.
Keep up the release of facts Mr Scrivvy, I reckon you have police reports, emails, letters & all sorts stashed away.
This is far better than watching TV.

[steveyb]

Those are some good ideas! There needs to be some thinking outside the square. A DJ and a freestyle rider to entertain while the pick up truck goes out or the ambo goes out or something..

THe reason why most club races dont do the nats is cause theres only a handful of people capable of getting around the track in 115% of Andrews time. Tell him to slow down

I have been holding my water and just enjoying the entertainment. It is a bit schadenfreude type entertainment, but what the hey.

I wanted to comment on the second sentence by Choppa.

One of the big observations I have made in the past three years of running Moto Academy NZ and looking at riders and looking around at racing is that I think one of the biggest issues that faces Motorcycle Roadracing (can't comment on other aspects, but I would suspect they aren't too far different) and something that very few people think about and appreciate I suspect, (this sentence is too long!!) is that the VAST majority of participants treat this game as a hobby (there, finished).
Very, very, very few treat it as a sport. Even a large number of the riders at the national level only treat it as a hobby, not as a sport.

Go on, look at yourself if you were just affronted.

How much do you train? I mean real training.
How much do you practice?
Do you attend international events inorder to match yourself against the best elsewhere. (And don't go on about the cost. Many other sports people find a way).
What other advice, input etc do you take to improve? Sports psychology, massage, yoga, stretching etc etc.
Do you have a coach?
Do you study the sport? Other than watching MotoGP on the couch with a few beers?

Look at any competitive national level runner, rower, tri-athlete, football player, rugby player, etc etc etc.
Look at the training and practice they do. Shit even a local club rugby or football or netball player will be doing heaps more training than the majority of roadracers. Clearly this is mostly true of club riders, but even at national level it is true. Also clearly some riders don't need to do much extra, they just have it, but treating it as a sport is also more than doing training. There are the presentation and preparation aspects as well.

Until the majority, not the minority of the national level riders are treating it as a real sport, then I believe that forward movement will be stifled and sponsors will continue to regard it as a hobby activity too.

Why should anyone in organisation put in the hard yards (and they really can be hard yards) when the majority of the riders don't? (and don't go on about how much money you spent doing it and par infra you must be dedicated, cos that is only one aspect and if you spent all that money without doing the other hard yards, isn't that just money wasted?).

Can, open, hmmm worms........

[Biggles08]

The grass is always greener....

http://thomasr.org/blog/2011/04/fixi...-in-australia/

Interesting read...I especially liked the part about riders having to be a marketing commodity themselves also.

[old rig]

What a great read this thread has been, i have read all 31 pages. I will be back about 10pm friday night. The alter ego Pat Watchman might appear after a few beers about then for a rant.
Keep up the release of facts Mr Scrivvy, I reckon you have police reports, emails, letters & all sorts stashed away.
This is far better than watching TV.

i think what mr scrivvy has stashed away would get him arested

[Biggles08]

I have been holding my water and just enjoying the entertainment. It is a bit schadenfreude type entertainment, but what the hey.

I wanted to comment on the second sentence by Choppa.

One of the big observations I have made in the past three years of running Moto Academy NZ and looking at riders and looking around at racing is that I think one of the biggest issues that faces Motorcycle Roadracing (can't comment on other aspects, but I would suspect they aren't too far different) and something that very few people think about and appreciate I suspect, (this sentence is too long!!) is that the VAST majority of participants treat this game as a hobby (there, finished).
Very, very, very few treat it as a sport. Even a large number of the riders at the national level only treat it as a hobby, not as a sport.

Go on, look at yourself if you were just affronted.

How much do you train? I mean real training.
How much do you practice?
Do you attend international events inorder to match yourself against the best elsewhere. (And don't go on about the cost. Many other sports people find a way).
What other advice, input etc do you take to improve? Sports psychology, massage, yoga, stretching etc etc.
Do you have a coach?
Do you study the sport? Other than watching MotoGP on the couch with a few beers?

Look at any competitive national level runner, rower, tri-athlete, football player, rugby player, etc etc etc.
Look at the training and practice they do. Shit even a local club rugby or football or netball player will be doing heaps more training than the majority of roadracers. Clearly this is mostly true of club riders, but even at national level it is true. Also clearly some riders don't need to do much extra, they just have it, but treating it as a sport is also more than doing training. There are the presentation and preparation aspects as well.

Until the majority, not the minority of the national level riders are treating it as a real sport, then I believe that forward movement will be stifled and sponsors will continue to regard it as a hobby activity too.

Why should anyone in organisation put in the hard yards (and they really can be hard yards) when the majority of the riders don't? (and don't go on about how much money you spent doing it and par infra you must be dedicated, cos that is only one aspect and if you spent all that money without doing the other hard yards, isn't that just money wasted?).

Can, open, hmmm worms........

Mate, you are 100% correct about this. I don't really think its the core problem for no sponsors etc, although in a certain way it is. I do think most don't give it the 100% commitment that they should/could and would rather others make their bike 2kg's lighter rather than eat less pies and train more.

I know of a few at the top of the nationals that do train hard however, but the majority probably don't. This is one thing I have already decided on doing this year in the off season more of. I have just joined up in a football club so my ring will be hanging out for the next month or two until I get to the fitness level I should be at.

Anyway kind of digressing I know but riders do need to take it more seriously and if they did I'm sure we would get more voting too.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I concur. Mr Dougherty attended our NZSRA AGM last year. He is a gentleman and a much needed person in our sport.

Scrivy

And the bad guys?

If you give them enough rope...

Sooner is better.

[wharfy]

Mate, you are 100% correct about this. I don't really think its the core problem for no sponsors etc, although in a certain way it is. I do think most don't give it the 100% commitment that they should/could and would rather others make their bike 2kg's lighter rather than eat less pies and train more.

I know of a few at the top of the nationals that do train hard however, but the majority probably don't. This is one thing I have already decided on doing this year in the off season more of. I have just joined up in a football club so my ring will be hanging out for the next month or two until I get to the fitness level I should be at.

Anyway kind of digressing I know but riders do need to take it more seriously and if they did I'm sure we would get more voting too.

I've been cutting down on pies and getting massages !!!

[jellywrestler]

pies

MMMMMMMMMMMMM pies...

[lostinflyz]

long speil......

you have a point but this is almost a team sport. Its just not possible to single handedly take the time to build, develop and maintain a bike, train properly and work to make a living (assuming you even possess the skills to do all 3). Its also important to remember this is almost (bar one really) a completely amateur sport (i.e. no one does it as a job, even part time).

Very few people have the money to purchase a bike, hire a crew and employ trainers ect on the world scene (and be competitive), let alone our little corner of the world. How many top level riders struggle to find rides in so many different series because they just can't bring the funding to make it happen.

back to bitching people, bring on friday drinks i say

[ajturbo]

I've been cutting down on pies and getting messages !!!

messages.. lack of pies...

just what is our ... hobby ... turning into when wharfy has been reduced to this....

[Shaun]

ATTN CHRIS LAWRANCE


Please elaberate a LOT on your buisness experience

Your Profile on www.mnz.co.nz only shows that you are a racer who has travelled the world a bit ( Good on ya for that) And goals for the future based on what Scrivy has been saying on here for a long time, funny how he wrote your profile by the look of it?

JT has done huge good things for OUR sport over many many years, ( YES I consider him a friend) SO I would really like to see this carried out proffesionaly rather than the way it has become on here with all the politics and personell issue;s

I for one have emailed JT and asked/suggested that he 100% Stays of this site with all the rubbish being thrown around, " He said she said" Bollocks.

I Know I have typed some SAD shite on here over the last few years, but I DID have a very BAD Head injury, ( AND SHORT MAN COMPLEXES) and have lost one sponsor and one old friend after 25 years of being involved in racing here in NZ due to my RANTING about shite?????

CHRIS, if you are serious about this roll ask your Friend and Promoter to STOP bringing all the garbage to this Public Forum and take care of it all in a PROFESSIONAL BUISNESS like manner, Scrivy is a buisness man and know,s how to act accordingly, and this is NOT the way guy,s.

PLEASE THINK OF THE FUTURE OF OUR SPORT AND THE YOUTH READING THIS

[sidecar bob]

Im not answering on behalf of Chris & im sure he will be along in due course.
I do know Chris has run his own very succesful business for a number of years associated with the building trade.
Also, regarding some of Scrivys posts. They contain FACTS people should know before voting for a candidate. If people are fine with the behaviour of a candidate they should vote for him, but it is important that they know who they are voting for.
Of course Scrivy wrote the profile in the voting pack, he signed it so thats hardly a revelation. It was a requirement & also a requirment to be a maximun of 300 words, why was Jim afforded two pages then? Presidential preferance?
Scrivy not behaving like a businessman??? Should he just lie down & be rolled? or grow some balls & have the gumption to tell the truth instead of cowering in the corner, id say he's behaving like a consumate businessman.
P.S, Wheres Billy & RT when Jim needs them?

[Crasherfromwayback]

AND THE YOUTH READING THIS

Don't be silly. Today's yoof can't read. You've seen their pathetic tags on the buildings!

[steveyb]

Its also important to remember this is almost (bar one really) a completely amateur sport (i.e. no one does it as a job, even part time).

Very few people have the money to purchase a bike, hire a crew and employ trainers ect on the world scene (and be competitive), let alone our little corner of the world. How many top level riders struggle to find rides in so many different series because they just can't bring the funding to make it happen.

Sorry Tim, but it is precisely statements and attitudes like that (and not pointed at anyone in particular let alone you) that allow people to rationalise not treating this as a true sport. There are ways and means and it does not always take money. Ask the leading NZ amateur sailors or golfers how they manage.