Can you spot the motorcycle?

[george formby]

Heres there response to my feedback on this dubious campaign FFS:

Dear Mr
Customer reference no.: AT2011/015363
Subject: Motorcycle safety

Thank you for contacting us regarding Auckland Transport Motorcycle safety campaign. Please find below a response from our Community Transport Team-

Auckland Transport is running this road safety initiative as part of a series of initiatives in the Auckland Transport Motorcycle Campaign. The aim of the Campaign is to encourage Motorcyclists to wear hi vis vests, wear protective gear and to seek training.

Motorcycles are less visible to other road users than cars or trucks, and there is a higher level of risk per kilometer traveled than other modes of transport. Several studies have compared the risk of death and injury for a motorcyclist to that of a car driver. The New Zealand Travel Survey indicates that, on average, the risk of being involved in a fatal or injury crash is more than 18 times higher for a motorcyclist than for a car driver over the same distance traveled (2003-2007 data). This campaign is raising motorcycling awareness to reduce crashes and serious injuries. and fall into an area of High Concern (Road Safety Safer Journeys 2010).

Please note the following statistics

· Motorcycle are 2.9% of the vehicle fleet yet they account for 10% of the fatal and 21% of the injury ACC claims
· Motorcycle casualties have increased by almost 100% from 31^st December 2001 – 2008
Auckland Transport works in collaboration with NZTA, ACC, NZ Police and Community Groups to reduce motorcycle crashes.


Thank you for taking the time to write to us.



Kind Regards

I wonder how much general traffic levels have increased in that time.

Stuff the hi viz I'm going to wear a big bulls eye front & back.

The implication of this thread is I am a target, for Road Transport, ACC & non motorcycling road users. Might as well give them something to aim at.

[matdaymon]

That wasn't even a reply, just generic copy paste bullshit..

I'd email them back demanding someone who actually knew what they were talking about "thanked" you for your time. Every biker knows those statistics they love to cling to are a crock of shit.
Hi Vis or No hi Vis the biker in that wee vid was fucked from the beginning because the driver like many on our roads doesn't abide by the basic rules of the road
Grr now I'm rambling... Must be time to make dinner

[MadDuck]

Pricks didn't respond to me!

Nor me. But if I got the generic response BE got I may just lose my cool! That can get pretty ugly.......

[Berries]

Motorcycle casualties have increased by almost 100% from 31st December 2001 – 2008

I wonder how much general traffic levels have increased in that time.

I wonder what the stat they quote actually means. 31st December 2001 vs all of 2008? Who knows. And who cares, it is obviously a standard reply with data they got given from ACC and they haven't bothered to question it. Maybe they should concentrate on getting their intersections up to standard before wagging the finger at road users.

[superman]

ACC goes on hold right now! Ahhh that's much better, thought I was about to get a hernia.

Bloody bastards, can someone please shoot the idiots. Why can't national who privatise EVERYTHING not bloody privatise the one thing that might actually benefit privatisation! DO IT, cull the tossers.

[bogan]

Nor me. But if I got the generic response BE got I may just lose my cool! That can get pretty ugly.......

haha, no doubt! Just got a 'response' today, apparently I can expect a proper one within 10 days

Sounds like the auckland PTB really aren't biker freindly. Below is a bit from the ARTA 2009-2012 safety plan.

Care should be taken to avoid the adoption of
policies that could encourage greater motorcycle use rather than
use of other transport modes in the region.

and

As motorcyclist numbers are increasing the number of crashes
involving them is also increasing. Safety measures include a
range of rider training and safety promotions. The high social cost
of motorcycle crashes indicates that from a safety perspective it
is a highly subsidised form of transport. Legislative changes to
improve safety and the visibility of riders are needed.

[MSTRS:Me]

You can bet your last dollar that is central government's policy as well.
Who said we weren't being forced off the road?

[Bald Eagle]

so we have an acknowledged public policy to discourage our existence.

might be time to stop playing nice with these head up their arse mongrels.

[MSTRS:Me]

I just rec'd the same insightful (sic) response from their tame currymuncher. Perhaps trained monkey would be more apt?
I felt that another observation from me was in order...

Your response is noted.
It is also noted that it is meaningless. It takes no intelligence to forward a thoughtless form letter, the content having been supplied by the mindless drones in Nick Smith's office, using manufactured statistics from ACC's anti-motorcycle department.
Shame on you for buying into the philosophy that motorcycles are dangerous machines and that their riders need to be saved from themselves.
I exhort you to actually talk to motorcyclists about the issues they face on our roads.
Or better still, go ride one yourself. Only then might you understand what is really needed to improve rider safety.

[brin_vg]

As motorcyclist numbers are increasing the number of crashes
involving them is also increasing.

GREAT SCOTT

Have they considered that increasing numbers of car users might also be contributing to our statistics? How about instead of worrying how many bikers are being injured, focus on the number of car drivers who run bikers down.

[ducatilover]

GREAT SCOTT

Have they considered that increasing numbers of car users might also be contributing to our statistics? How about instead of worrying how many bikers are being injured, focus on the number of car drivers who run bikers down.

That is in no way appropriate material for debates, it makes far to much sense.
Get out.

[Katman]

GREAT SCOTT

Have they considered that increasing numbers of car users might also be contributing to our statistics? How about instead of worrying how many bikers are being injured, focus on the number of car drivers who run bikers down.

We could just as easily say, how about we focus on the number of accidents that motorcyclists are having that are easily avoidable.

[oneofsix]

We could also say, how about we focus on the number of accidents that motorcyclists are having that are easily avoidable.

If you just restricted yourself to that very thing I would have more respect for you, and so might many others.

[Katman]

If you just restricted yourself to that very thing I would have more respect for you, and so might many others.

It's pretty much all I've been saying all along.

[oneofsix]

It's pretty much all I've been saying all along.

No. When you pick on motorcycle accidents which are not easily avoidable or ones where you don't know all the circumstances you are not saying that at all. What you inadvertently end up saying is that all motorcyclists are fwits and don't deserve space on the roads. I don't think this is your intended message.