MNZ board nominations

[scrivy]

So if he was investigated, and there was found to be no case to answer, why is this "assault" even being brought up in this argument?

'No case to answer' are not the words from the police Trashie. Those were Billys.

Why is this being brought up?? Because Jim has, is, and always will be a bully to our members. Should we let this continue??
And more importantly, should the Board?

Scrivy

[sidecar bob]

Using the Sandra Staminova case as a template,Care too elaborate Steve??

Ok, I thought it was obvious, but let me spell it out.
You implied that Sandra was having some difficulties with her superbike as best I can tell, so you offererd her a go on a Hyosung 250 to help her along her way (Christ only knows how that was going to help, but a noble gesture on your part none the less)
Jim was having difficulty managing his anger & I guess, using the same set of ideals, he should have been offered some kind of assistance for his issues too.

[Billy]

Clearly, the MNZ Board acted very heavy handed, and as mentioned above, very double standard too. If they were to use the Code of conduct rule, then surely a warning or fine was satisfactory?? With a proviso that next time you're suspended!
This rule is an open ended invitation for the Board to do whatever the hell they want with only 1 persons input/statement (and no right of reply for the defendant). THAT is very UNFAIR.
I can see further cases going to the sports tribunal, costing MNZ lots of money in the process.


Yes,Andrew,I have not shyed away from the fact that using the code of conduct in this manner is not the most satisfying outcome and I see your point regarding further court actions,However how many chances should Bryce have been afforded?

Case 1 Manfeild round 1 of the tri series he was clearly seen too take Nick Odermatt out at turn one,Witnessed by a number of people including clerk of the course Jim Tuckerman.

Case 2 Actrix series long circuit at Manfeild same action again only this time the rider affected was Sam Love but witnessed by BJ Cawthorn and mentioned in the stewards report

Case 3 Wanganui the tri series and he took himself and narrowly missed another rider coming over the bridge witnessed by thousands

Case 4 the Hampton Downs incident witnessed by a top level superbike competitor who took the trouble too supply a statement too MNZ.

All 4 of these incidents appear too be major brain explosions,Not racing incidents,

I could understand you being so fervant on this matter if it were over something more trivial,But I was in your pit area and saw your reaction when Derek Hill and Phil Harrison were killed at Pukekohe and you like the rest of us were shaken too the core and if you cant see that the board made the right decision here then Im shocked.

SAFE removing impending danger from other competitors,

FUN how can it have been fun for the other supersport competitors wondering who was next to be taken out

FAIR for all competitors in a race,Not just one.

Again,I dont condone the method here,But its in the manual/was not introduced by the current board just too get rid of Bryce,But Im sure most would agree the outcome has been admirable for most involved including Bryce.






Jim is the man. Yes he is, the man with an anger management problem with threats against several members and their teams.

If as you have stated Jim has breached the code on 5 seperate occasions are you able too supply the list of complainants and a copy of any correspondence relating too these complaints,

RE the police investigation over the assault charge.

The police are obliged too investigate any complaint made too them to a point where they can make a decision whether to prosecute.In this case they decided not to pursue laying charges as there was no physical evidence of an assault taking place and the witness/complainants statements did not match up,

Had Jim been charged in relation too this matter I would be right behind you in demanding he be charged with breaching the code of conduct and Im sure the rest of the board would have also.

[scrivy]

Is it also true as stated by Mr Scrivener in an earlier post in this thread that there have been No new entrants too the NZSRA in the past 2 years only 1 renewal and 2 teams that MIGHT by a rig after the next Have A Go day??
See Billy, you're caught lying again!! Where did I say we hadn't had any growth in the past 2 years?? You got Bronchitis?? Read my post #609 again, and tell me where I said that! You're a compulsive liar Billy!!


Can you give the members a guarantee that Messrs Scrivener and Bryan will hold NO position of power with in the organisation and that you will not be influenced in anyway by their destructive approach too the sport ??

Also, as I stated in post #609:
Im not up for election, Chris Lawrance is. Remember, I just nominated him.
I will have no input what so ever into the running of MNZ (nor do I wish to), as I won't be part of the crew of officials, board, commissioners etc. As mentioned on KB, the president only has 1 vote, I can hardly see how I can do anything from the outside Billy. Please don't try to mislead people.

[Billy]

Ok, I thought it was obvious, but let me spell it out.
You implied that Sandra was having some difficulties with her superbike as best I can tell, so you offererd her a go on a Hyosung 250 to help her along her way (Christ only knows how that was going to help, but a noble gesture on your part none the less)

Thats easy,Give her some back to basics training at a slower speed with the help of Glen Williams or Brian Bernard then put her back on a superbike when shes mastered the art of motorcycle racing a bit more,Still what would I know eh!!

Jim was having difficulty managing his anger & I guess, using the same set of ideals, he should have been offered some kind of assistance for his issues too.

Yip,Got it now

[Billy]

Also, as I stated in post #609:
Im not up for election, Chris Lawrance is. Remember, I just nominated him.
I will have no input what so ever into the running of MNZ (nor do I wish to), as I won't be part of the crew of officials, board, commissioners etc. As mentioned on KB, the president only has 1 vote, I can hardly see how I can do anything from the outside Billy. Please don't try to mislead people.

And there it is,Back too the shit slinging and fingerpointing,

Jeez scrivy,Almost had a reasoned argument with you there,Whoa is me

I did leave one part of your answer out,Something about a trip to Aus wasnt it.

[scrivy]

Had Jim been charged in relation too this matter I would be right behind you in demanding he be charged with breaching the code of conduct and Im sure the rest of the board would have also.

So, several witness statements by MNZ members was not satisfactory against Jim, but 1 top level superbike riders statement was in Bryce's case of code of conduct breach??? Is that fair Billy??
In any case, the MNZ Board should have disciplined Jim for bringing MNZ into disrepute, as clearly this was not the first threat of violence from Jim to members.

[scrivy]

And there it is,Back too the shit slinging and fingerpointing,
Jeez scrivy,Almost had a reasoned argument with you there,Whoa is me
I did leave one part of your answer out,Something about a trip to Aus wasnt it.

You're too hard to argue with Billy, as you're either not rational, or have a bad memory.
When I say black, you hear white.

You said we hadn't had growth, that's a lie - we have, and I never said we hadn't.

I say I don't want a role in MNZ - and you say I'm finger pointing and shit slinging??? WTF??

I was trying to understand why you are so afraid of me Billy, but then I realised, that you know I speak the truth, and will catch you out with your made up lies, and mis-quotes.

Lets keep it honest now eh Billy.

[scrivy]

Geez Billy, we're both passionate about our sport, and both don't take kindly to attacks on our sport.
Imagine if we could combine those passions for our sport - what great things could come of it!!!

.........and no Spyda, I don't mean sexual passions.......................

[Billy]

'No case to answer' are not the words from the police Trashie. Those were Billys.

Yes they are my words,But you could prove me wrong by posting up the copy of the police report you claim to have.

As you were Jimmy,NO CHARGES WERE LAID.

Why is this being brought up?? Because Jim has, is, and always will be a bully to our members. Should we let this continue??
And more importantly, should the Board?



Scrivy

So are you suggesting the board should go as well now Scrivy?Or is this the part where you fess up and admit you dont really give a rodents rectum what happens after the election,So long as Jim is no longer President cause you didnt get your own way??????

[sidecar bob]

Quote Billy. Thats easy,Give her some back to basics training at a slower speed with the help of Glen Williams or Brian Bernard then put her back on a superbike when shes mastered the art of motorcycle racing a bit more,Still what would I know eh!! Quote Billy.



Dead serious question Billy, why was Bryce Meads not offered the same treatment?

[scrivy]

So are you suggesting the board should go as well now Scrivy?Or is this the part where you fess up and admit you dont really give a rodents rectum what happens after the election,So long as Jim is no longer President cause you didnt get your own way??????

I never said the Board should go. I am merely stating that Kevin G reiterates that Jim only has 1 vote, and the board have 4, but still chose to do nothing to help Jim with his problem. They should have afforded him some help with his known anger problem!
I haven't said anywhere that the Board should go Billy (look back at my posts), but others on here certainly have!!
I will say this though, Chris can work with anyone.
And yes, I do care what happens to our sport. And yes I do want to see changes to communication, transparency etc. that the Board aren't doing now.
Is that a crime of mine to wish for?? Jim bullies members, and by the obvious looks of it, the Board members too.

Please don't accuse me of a hidden agenda for trying to remove Jim. I just want a respectful leader of our sport that everyone can look up to.
Now, what agenda did Jim have for being President apart from solely removing the CEO and Sandra?

........and as for the 'no charges were laid'........... no they weren't, but can you state what was described by the police??? Ya gotta hear this............

[Billy]

Quote Billy. Thats easy,Give her some back to basics training at a slower speed with the help of Glen Williams or Brian Bernard then put her back on a superbike when shes mastered the art of motorcycle racing a bit more,Still what would I know eh!! Quote Billy.



Dead serious question Billy, why was Bryce Meads not offered the same treatment?

I have no idea,I wasnt aware of any action or communication between Bryce and MNZ until I saw it on this site and by then he was already suspended,

I just happened too be in Auckland picking up a bike for a mate from Wellington on the day the suspension was issued and got lost at the bottom of Queen St so rang Jim for directions and got some of the story then.

I for one would have been only too happy to have helped him if I couldve.

[Quasievil]

i Say Vote for me !!
How do I get nominated ???

First thing I will do is remove all motorcycles from motorcycle racing, suspend everyone and close down all the tracks.
After a year when you all realise that your oh so lucky and wondered what all the bitching was about, I will restart it all again under a new regime of rule that will blow the wheels of anything ever done before.

So how do I get Nominated ?

[sidecar bob]

I have no idea,I wasnt aware of any action or communication between Bryce and MNZ until I saw it on this site and by then he was already suspended,

I just happened too be in Auckland picking up a bike for a mate from Wellington on the day the suspension was issued and got lost at the bottom of Queen St so rang Jim for directions and got some of the story then.

I for one would have been only too happy to have helped him if I couldve.

With your passion for the sport (& nobody can fault you on that one) I seriously believe you would have helped him.
Sad then that he was chucked on his ear without any consultation with you, as you say Jim did regarding the Sandra situation.
Another double standard clearly demonstrated by the powers that be.