MNZ board nominations

**jellywrestler** · 22nd April 2011, 10:26

Originally Posted by Billy

Thanks for the support Shaun,

But Im not going anywhere,Anytime soon,.

Haven't you got some Easter eggs to deliver Billy, in your fluffy pink bunny suit?

**scrivy** · 22nd April 2011, 10:28

Originally Posted by Billy

..... Jim Tuckerman and as its not on official police letterhead I wouldnt expect the board to act on it anyway.
Dude.... and thankfully that is the reason you're not on the Board!!
So.......... was the letter from the top level superbike rider that put a complaint against Bryce on official letterhead also??? Or even on police letterhead??

Oh, and was Tania's partners complaint of Jims breach of the code of conduct rule against Jim ever considered by the Board??

Originally Posted by Billy

The fact that Chris Lawrance has failed to answer ANY of my questions either on here,Facebook or directly too me only enforces to me the fact he has NO clear mandate for moving the sport forward and NOBODY behind him that has any sensible ideas either,
Come on Billy, Jim never answered my questions either.
As for people behind Jim......... who exactly is behind Jim?? You?? Shaun?? Steve Bron?? That's a good enough reason to not vote for Jim!!
But alas, I thought this vote was only for the President.

Couple with that the fact a number of the board and commission members have indicated too me they cant/wont work with Chris and his followers and you have to wonder as I do where we will go if Jim is not re-elected,
That's about as petty as you can get from grown adults. As I said before, name me one person (Just one) that doesn't like Chris. For your Board mates to make that kind of statement is absolutely childish. So in other words, if Jims not there, some will spit the dummy and leave?? So, its a fact then that Jim does run the whole ship! That's sad Billy.
But on the up side, there are people wanting to work with Chris, and would be more than keen to get on the Board. Who knows, they may bring more credibility and respect to our sport also.

I have NEVER defended his actions and if hes re-elected,Possibly some proviso's be put in place,All I ask is people get both sidesof the story before making a decision.
Never defended Jims actions?? But you thought it was ok to suspend Bryce as it was a 'means to an end'!
You have also tried to dispute everything I have said (even when I said it was the truth), to defend Jim.
So why would you need to put provisos in if Jim is re-elected?? So he doesn't assault someone again?? Remember Billy, the police only need 1 more reason to jump on Jim.
Can you honestly say that in the next 2 years that Jim isn't going to do that?? 3 threats by Jim in 2 years so far (A racetrack commentator, a race event organiser and a family member of an MNZ member - where will it end?). Imagine the dis-repute that would bring on MNZ if that happened and went public.

Now, go and look at the financials again Billy, and tell me how Jim has made a profit of $200,000, following on from a loss of $100,000 the year before.
That is a laughable spin from Jim, but I would love to hear your take on that, as I brought it up many many pages before, but no one could give me a reason why.

Scrivy

**scrivy** · 22nd April 2011, 10:35

Originally Posted by Biggles08

HOWEVER....IF merely half of what went on as described in this letter you quoted occurred then it really does find the claim of actions taken (or more to the point not taken) against Jim by the board to be 'wanting' at the best. This is especially the case when comparing to the precedent (not president) that had been set with the 'Meads' incident (not sure what came first though...but either way both were 'code of conduct' issues).

Apples for apples I would have thought.

The incidents were about 1 month apart.
Its as I was saying all along Biggles, but Billy puts his slant on it and tries to sweep it under the carpet.
Not good for the figurehead of our sport.

**Biggles08** · 22nd April 2011, 10:39

Originally Posted by Billy

Honestly Marcus,The now mysteriously removed post was simply one side of the story and was written by a complainant clearly unhappy they didnt get the right result and was sent not too the board at MNZ but rather to the immediate past president who is also in conflict with Jim Tuckerman and as its not on official police letterhead I wouldnt expect the board to act on it anyway.

YOU have displayed in both this case and the Bryce Meads case a complete inability to collect BOTH sides of the story before you have settled on a decision,You are clearly in the circle of the "chosen ones" and are not prepared to listen too both sides.

I would suggest you could save yourself a small fortune by buying smaller visors if your only going too use the centre of them!!!

Not quite true Billy...this is all I have ever had an issue with re the 'Meads' issue. That both sides of the story is collected and analyzed by those in the correct positions to do so and that justice is 'seen' to be done.

Regrading Jim Tuckerman and this disappearing letter, I would like to think I'm pretty open to both sides of the story but I haven't the luxury to have access to all this information and yet still need to form an opinion so as to decide whom I am going to vote for (hypothetical as I have already voted..but hopefully you get my meaning).

I'm fully aware this disappearing letter is only one side of the story...most likely even a polarized view. This is what I was trying to communicate by saying "IF" and "half" in my comment. I would like to think that this matter was dealt with correctly, and to be fair it may well have been (I have my doubts however), but I was very close to the action that was taken against Bryce, I have heard both sides of the story, and I still believe this could have been investigated, dealt with and delivered in a better, more fair manner.

This is not a witch hunt on my part Billy so don't think of it that way. I'm the first to forget and forgive if required, and I know people make mistakes. But as I have said previously...'its not the baggage that makes the man, its how he deals with it that does.' This applies to all of us including all the board members and current, past and future presidents.

My personal opinion is JT has made mistakes (as we all have) and the only question I have is can he learn from them. Clearly he has passion for motorcycling and most likely has the best intentions for it. I don't doubt this as you shouldn't with Chris Lawrance either. What we all need to do is VOTE for who we see is BEST to take MNZ into the future.

**Roger** · 22nd April 2011, 10:41

Originally Posted by old rig

more sidecars will mean bigger parties and more grid girls

and more punch-ups at prizegivings.

**Kickaha** · 22nd April 2011, 10:44

Originally Posted by Roger

and more punch-ups at prizegivings.

Don't think we've had one yet, although Scrivy deserves a smack in the head on a annual basis

**Biggles08** · 22nd April 2011, 10:45

Originally Posted by Shaun

The Brain Dead Shaun Is Dead and gone once and for all Dude, the man who recognises his F up,s over the last few years is around now, and will not be going any where in a hurry, and most deffinately will not be WANKING on like some people with No exscuses for there attitude apart from the fact that they are TOSSERS

Shaun dealing with all the TOSSERS! haha

**scrivy** · 22nd April 2011, 10:47

Originally Posted by Roger

and more punch-ups at prizegivings.

What punch ups have there been??

**scrivy** · 22nd April 2011, 10:53

Originally Posted by Shaun

I have been told 2 sides of the story on here and where it all started from, and WAS actually enjoying watching them LIE- Distort-stretch the truth to hell and back

Shaun, you say you have been TOLD 2 sides of the story. Have you ever gotten the NZSRA side of the story from listening to members yourself? If so, from whom??
It appears you have made your mind up with no communication from the NZSRA. That's a bit slanted.

Scrivy

**Billy** · 22nd April 2011, 11:04

Originally Posted by Biggles08

Not quite true Billy...this is all I have ever had an issue with re the 'Meads' issue. That both sides of the story is collected and analyzed by those in the correct positions to do so and that justice is 'seen' to be done.

Regrading Jim Tuckerman and this disappearing letter, I would like to think I'm pretty open to both sides of the story but I haven't the luxury to have access to all this information and yet still need to form an opinion so as to decide whom I am going to vote for (hypothetical as I have already voted..but hopefully you get my meaning).

I'm fully aware this disappearing letter is only one side of the story...most likely even a polarized view. This is what I was trying to communicate by saying "IF" and "half" in my comment. I would like to think that this matter was dealt with correctly, and to be fair it may well have been (I have my doubts however), but I was very close to the action that was taken against Bryce, I have heard both sides of the story, and I still believe this could have been investigated, dealt with and delivered in a better, more fair manner.

This is not a witch hunt on my part Billy so don't think of it that way. I'm the first to forget and forgive if required, and I know people make mistakes. But as I have said previously...'its not the baggage that makes the man, its how he deals with it that does.' This applies to all of us including all the board members and current, past and future presidents.

My personal opinion is JT has made mistakes (as we all have) and the only question I have is can he learn from them. Clearly he has passion for motorcycling and most likely has the best intentions for it. I don't doubt this as you shouldn't with Chris Lawrance either. What we all need to do is VOTE for who we see is BEST to take MNZ into the future.

Very good reply Marcus,

The only thing that possibly needs to be made a little clearer is the reference too the disappearing letter,The way you have worded it could be misconstrued as to have being done by Jim and that is not the case.

The reason I suggested you didnt have both sides of the story was you have never mentioned who you had spoken too at MNZ to gather their side.

Scrivy I'll get back too you after lunch as I have 2 people collecting bikes today,But just so you dont think Im going on a mission too gather info,My only information scource re the financial affairs are off Jims profile and I trust Hes not stupid enough to make unsubstantiated claims that could come back to bite him.

**scrivy** · 22nd April 2011, 11:16

Originally Posted by Billy

My only information scource re the financial affairs are off Jims profile and I trust Hes not stupid enough to make unsubstantiated claims that could come back to bite him.

Just the financials in your membership pack are fine.
Jim's also stated the fact on facebook too.

Jims qoute: "Yes the current Board has turned MNZ’s fortunes around (from $100k loss to $200K profit), but it would not be good governance to rush out and spend that."