Another victory in the war on P. May there be many more victories like this!

[Edbear]

Won't this just make it more expensive due to less supply?

That'll mean that addicts have to burgle (or worse) more stuff in order to get their fix.

We should mass-produce and give it away freely to whoever wants it. Less gang income, more freedom for NZers and less police/court time wasted on enforcement. I'm sure there's a side I'm not seeing though.

Probably the side the Police see on patrol...

[98tls]

Meh. I broke away from a large number of people as P became prevalent in the social circles I frequented,However none of them acted as described. The majority of people smoking that shit don't have violent breakdowns, chop peoples handss off, or even get the pleasure of speaking to the police.

Sure maybe not the "majority" but how manys acceptable?

[Headbanger]

Sure maybe not the "majority" but how manys acceptable?

I don't consider such behaviors acceptable no matter what substances people have been ingesting. So, lets ban the booze.

[Edbear]

I don't consider such behaviors acceptable no matter what substances people have been ingesting. So, lets ban the booze.

I agree, of course. The Alcohol problem in this country will see TPTB forced to do something eventually, the issue is getting enough people to agree on what to do.

Especially the youth just can't seem to learn anything from the death and destruction they cause to themselves and others. They simply couldn't care less.

[98tls]

I don't consider such behaviors acceptable no matter what substances people have been ingesting. So, lets ban the booze.

Yea see your point but after seeing a bloke go nuts after days on the P i would rather deal with a drunk anyday.There was just no reasoning with the guy at all he had walked home grabbed an axe then walked all the way back to the party to deal to some blokes car and there just wasnt any stopping him.Normally a pretty reasonable bloke,scary thing i guess was that unlike someone thats pissed who staggers about etc there was no physical slowing down at all.

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Especially the youth just can't seem to learn anything from the death and destruction they cause to themselves and others. They simply couldn't care less.

Why do you suggest this is a problem with "youth"?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Great tag about me on the thread! That'll be why I can't hold down a job and have to police kicking my door in every other day I guess!

[Edbear]

Why do you suggest this is a problem with "youth"?

Not just an issue with youth, but when you watch the news, it is so much more often youths involved. I'm talking mainly the alcohol problem of course and the violence and drink-driving stats in particular.

Yes, I know many young ones who are fine people in their own right and an example to many older ones, but the facts remain as I (sadly) have to point out.

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Not just an issue with youth, but when you watch the news, it is so much more often youths involved. I'm talking mainly the alcohol problem of course and the violence and drink-driving stats in particular.

Yes, I know many young ones who are fine people in their own right and an example to many older ones, but the facts remain as I (sadly) have to point out.

What facts? The ones you see on the news?

[BMWST?]

I agree, of course. The Alcohol problem in this country will see TPTB forced to do something eventually, the issue is getting enough people to agree on what to do.

Especially the youth just can't seem to learn anything from the death and destruction they cause to themselves and others. They simply couldn't care less.

the attitude towards alcohol is changing....slowly

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the attitude towards alcohol is changing....slowly

Yeah and guess what generation is responsible for this

[Smifffy]

I think it's the drop in altitude putting pressure on the bladder or something. I always need a P when the plane lands.

[Edbear]

What facts? The ones you see on the news?

Sadly, not exclusively. The news reports what happened, though, and most of the time it appears youth are the culprits esp. in road accidents and stolen cars under the definite influence of alcohol and lots of it.

http://ndp.govt.nz/moh.nsf/pagescm/7752/$File/alcohol-factsheets.pdf

http://www.alcohol.org.nz/NZStatisti...PostingID=1187

http://www.ahw.org.nz/resources/pdf/...ce_F_Sheet.pdf

Published in '02 but still relevant and you may start from p6.
http://www.aphru.ac.nz/projects/publicSpaces.pdf

[98tls]

Yeah and guess what generation is responsible for this

Got me,by all means do tell.

[Toaster]

Some of you people need to meet people addicted to P when they are coming down off a bender. Only then you might grow up a bit. Without a doubt, you may change your mind as they try to kill you.

A number of murders, including child killings over the last decade have been caused by offenders high on P. Still want to encourage making this shit readily available like alcohol?

Alcohol also has a major impact on crime, but it can be used responsibly by the majority of the public. P never allows its users that luxury. It just sucks them in and destroys their lives and the lives of those around them.

There is NOTHING good about methanphetamine. There is good reason why supplying this terrible Class A drug carries a life sentence.

Drug users are simply fools and drug dealers are scum.