The end of growth?

[schrodingers cat]

As long as people allow themselves to be saddled under a banking system that employs fractional reserve banking the requirement will be for growth.

Theft comes in many forms

[mashman]

Can someone explain this 'resource economy'?
My take on it is that oil/coal/minerals for example are resources. Finite, though. And we are entering that phase when the resource runs out.
A resource is only effective longterm, if it is replenishable, surely? And any resource that is not...utilising it to achieve growth simply speeds up it's demise.

The way I look at it. A Resource Based Economy is the use of people and resources in a logistic self sustaining manner. One that has huge societal benefits imho, as it doesn't require a financial system.

This is from the originator of the term

[JimO]

i dont agree with peak oil, there will be huge oil reserves that will be known about and untapped, its all about the $$$$

[scumdog]

Can someone explain this 'resource economy'?
My take on it is that oil/coal/minerals for example are resources. Finite, though. And we are entering that phase when the resource runs out.
A resource is only effective longterm, if it is replenishable, surely? And any resource that is not...utilising it to achieve growth simply speeds up it's demise.

Grazing pastures are a resource.

And renewable.

[racefactory]

I agree with the resource based economy. However, I think humans in their current stage of evolution are not capable of the solidarity needed to harness the benefits of such ideas. There will surely be a human cataclysm before then.

Also, one of the delusions today is that increased GDP and growth equates to increased well-being. In actuality, it equates to increased inefficiency and this is detrimental to health and living standards when the environment is a factor.

[mashman]

Grazing pastures are a resource.

And renewable.

until they're over farmed, by poisoning them to over produce.

[rainman]

This post on another thread got me thinking:

Why thank you, we aim to please.

At the moment we sit at home wearing trendy $150 t-shirts that cost $3 to make having spent the afternoon buying a new bread-pressure-rice-blender that's now sitting in the cupboard ulikely to get used, and knock back piss that we bought at the supermarket and watch reality TV all night on our 52 inch LCD thinking how wealthy we are.

Now that is brilliance. Bling to you.

i dont agree with peak oil, there will be huge oil reserves that will be known about and untapped, its all about the $$$$

Peak oil isn't the end of oil, it's the end of cheap oil. So on the basis of your post, sounds like you do agree with it.

Grazing pastures are a resource.

And renewable.

Indeed, but the whole system around them isn't. How sustainable is the NZ dairy industry if oil's $200 a barrel, or just plain unavailable at any cost in the quantities we're used to? Or if our customer countries are in deep(er) financial doo doo?

[onearmedbandit]

My wish? To be around in say 300yrs time attending a history lesson covering the 'modern dark-age' of 1970-2***.

[Big Dave]

[Winston001]

The way I look at it. A Resource Based Economy is the use of people and resources in a logistic self sustaining manner. One that has huge societal benefits imho, as it doesn't require a financial system.

This is from the originator of the term

I do agree there are merits in the Resource Based Economy ideas but they need work. That link to the Venus Project reveals some very fuzzy thinking and major warning bells rang when I immediately found conspiracy thinking:

"We must emphasize that this approach to global governance has nothing whatever in common with the present aims of an elite to form a world government with themselves and large corporations at the helm, and the vast majority of the world's population subservient to them."

Spare me days.

[mashman]

I do agree there are merits in the Resource Based Economy ideas but they need work. That link to the Venus Project reveals some very fuzzy thinking and major warning bells rang when I immediately found conspiracy thinking:

"We must emphasize that this approach to global governance has nothing whatever in common with the present aims of an elite to form a world government with themselves and large corporations at the helm, and the vast majority of the world's population subservient to them."

Spare me days.

True, it needs work because we're nowhere near it and they do not outline a path to get there. It is a view of a future that has been arrived at.

The "conspiracy" is real enough, shame it turned you off... although I understand why. You choose to believe it or you don't.

When I look at the world, I see the fingerprints of political and corporate bullshit everywhere. So I believe it. And having read about the guy who stated it, he has an experience of the world that next to none of us have... why wouldn't I believe him?

[LBD]

An interesting quote made by a mining engineer I work with regardin NZ mineral resorces...

New Zealand is 5th in the world measured in mineral wealth per head of population....but 25th in the world measured minerals mined per head of population.

Maybe its time we considered exploiting some of our mineral wealth...in an responsibly environmentally sensitive manner without taking environmental issues to the extreme as we do at present.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

I do agree there are merits in the Resource Based Economy ideas but they need work. That link to the Venus Project reveals some very fuzzy thinking and major warning bells rang when I immediately found conspiracy thinking:

"We must emphasize that this approach to global governance has nothing whatever in common with the present aims of an elite to form a world government with themselves and large corporations at the helm, and the vast majority of the world's population subservient to them."

Spare me days.

Its not actually a conspiracy as such... Helen Clarke is also a major player and been wanting the World Government for sometime and has been pushing for it for some time...The conspiracy side you speak of is what they want to do after they gain complete control... like micro chipping every one and you just become a worker drone (you are halfway there already when you think about it) they also want to cull the population etc... which is why we never really had peace on Earth, war is a good way to keep population under control. but its just a conspiracy.

At the end of the day. large corpartions are already at the helm the diciat to goverments already... its all about the dollar... for the love of money is... (well you know the rest). Roosevelt and previous presidents warned of this... the conspiracy is that is why Kennedy was assinated etc, because wasn't playing ball and was being a real preseident.

The UN is the front for it the start of the world government, the world bank is well their bank and each country pays however millions of dollars a year to be part of it... the system is already in place... they just don't have complete control yet.

But its all only a conspiracy theory... if you want to bring in religion it was and has been all predicted in the the book of revolations... but that is just an old religious prophocey... If you want to start joining the dots around you and actually looking... well things are not as they seem... but then well thats just being nuts... some accidents are not just accidents some things are well not what they first seem to be.


heck most of the movies you watch on TV and on the silver a screen are the same story from star wars to Lord of the Rings, heck even the matrix, the dark side wanting power over all etc... then again they are just movies right, and not warnings from hollywood insiders...

Or is it???

The easiest way is to follow the money... if you do that like a lot of conspiracy thorist have well it does change what you see, and you do see the viel of cover being lifted... either way people have to start joing the dots of things that should not corosponed to each other (but yet they do), because they usually do... normal story governments flash with one hand and hide slide with the other...

Freedoms are slowly being stripped in the name of security. Cost of living are going through the roof oil prices tax this and that... global warming (sorry Climate change) heck even throw in the mix those scare munggering 2012 actists etc is it any wonder why there is so much chaos in the world today and it is a wonder we haven't already pushed the big red button...

but then again its not really happening and the governments are there for the good of the people not there own selfish rights.... mmmmm tui

[oneofsix]

Its not actually a conspiracy as such... Helen Clarke is also a major player and been wanting the World Government for sometime and has been pushing for it for some time...The conspiracy side you speak of is what they want to do after they gain complete control... like micro chipping every one and you just become a worker drone (you are halfway there already when you think about it) they also want to cull the population etc... which is why we never really had peace on Earth, war is a good way to keep population under control. but its just a conspiracy.

At the end of the day. large corpartions are already at the helm the diciat to goverments already... its all about the dollar... for the love of money is... (well you know the rest). Roosevelt and previous presidents warned of this... the conspiracy is that is why Kennedy was assinated etc, because wasn't playing ball and was being a real preseident.

The UN is the front for it the start of the world government, the world bank is well their bank and each country pays however millions of dollars a year to be part of it... the system is already in place... they just don't have complete control yet.

But its all only a conspiracy theory... if you want to bring in religion it was and has been all predicted in the the book of revolations... but that is just an old religious prophocey... If you want to start joining the dots around you and actually looking... well things are not as they seem... but then well thats just being nuts... some accidents are not just accidents some things are well not what they first seem to be.

The easiest way is to follow the money...

Or is it???

heck most of the movies you watch on TV and on the silver a screen are the same story from star wars to Lord of the Rings the dark side wanting power over all etc... then again the are just movies right and not warnings...

Movies, Revelations and other religious text, books (1984 etc), history, are all studies in the nature of the people who crave power. It's not a conspiracy in that those who are willing to work that hard and sacrifice that much to get to those positions believe they are therefore special and deserving and the rest of us are just fodder to feed their ambitions. The UN was probably set up to bring about world peace etc but wouldn't take much for ambitious people with domination desires to subvert. Not a conspiracy, just individuals and groups working to the same aim incidentally assisting each other to bring the world back to a version of serfdom, and the rest of us accidentally frustrating their desires.

[scissorhands]

After a good cutting back nearly all trees with good roots will flourish once again.

Revolution! Off with their heads! Shonky first!