Should Katman shut the fuck up?

[Banditbandit]

Those that voted no and want him to stay can now no longer argue with anything that he says.

BULLSHIT - I voted for him to stay so he can express his opinion - that does not mean I won't call him an arrogant and insensitive wanker if he acts like one - I did not vote for him to stay because I necessarily agree with the arrogant and insensitive wanker ...

[Crasherfromwayback]

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I read a lot of people bitching about my delivery but not too many willing to give it a go themselves.

I don't think that's true. Many people here, myself included often bring up things that may help others.

[Katman]

I don't think that's true. Many people here, myself included often bring up things that may help others.

I'm not talking about offering help Pete.

I'm talking about making people wake up to the realisation of a number of important facts like.......

When you're dead you're dead and it doesn't much matter by that stage who (or what) the fuck is at fault.

If you fuck up through your own actions own the fuck up to it instead of blaming everyone/thing else.

If we keep costing the country a small fortune we will continue to be targeted by the powers that be.

Those sorts of things.

[marie_speeds]

Simple question really.

And yes, be aware it is a public poll.

It's time to draw a line in the sand.

NO

You do a great job of telling people to get their heads out of their arses

[Spearfish]

I don't think that's true. Many people here, myself included often bring up things that may help others.

They/you/many do help and probably don't realise it considering only really emotive subjects get a response in most cases or if a question is placed in a poorly worded context..




Some others are just contributing to the delinquency of biker noobs.

[Katman]

People say my delivery is harsh and I agree.

Calling Loosebruce a cock was harsh, but was it as harsh as two motorcycles slamming head-on into each other killing both riders through the stupidity of one of those riders?

Saying Daniel was riding like a cock was harsh, but was it as harsh as the WRB that cut him in half?

Some even say that getting Katiepie to admit to her responsibility for her accident was harsh, but was it as harsh as lying there helpless for hours on end wondering if help was ever going to arrive in time?

Some people here have a strange understanding of the meaning of harsh.

[Crasherfromwayback]

People say my delivery is harsh and I agree.

Calling Loosebruce a cock was harsh, but was it as harsh as two motorcycles slamming head-on into each other killing both riders through the stupidity of one of those riders?

My major problem with you came from that. It was said in a tribute thread to Bruce, that I know for a fact his family were reading. Regardless of your thoughts, I simply think it was really bad form to talk about the son they lost in that manner. Neither Steve or Peggy (Bruces parents) have been the same since they lost Bruce, and they're both really lovely people that didn't deserve to read that said about their son.

But anyhow...even I've slowly (yes I'm a bit special) come to realise that your are in fact trying to help and spread the word. I just wish you'd sometimes tone it down a little.

[Oscar]

Some others are just contributing to the delinquency of biker noobs.

I agree.
There is a lot of macho bullshit amongst motorcyclists, and a prevalent victim culture ("fuckin' cagers!"), and the combination is lethal.

[oneofsix]

People say my delivery is harsh and I agree.

Calling Loosebruce a cock was harsh, but was it as harsh as two motorcycles slamming head-on into each other killing both riders through the stupidity of one of those riders?

Saying Daniel was riding like a cock was harsh, but was it as harsh as the WRB that cut him in half?

Some even say that getting Katiepie to admit to her responsibility for her accident was harsh, but was it as harsh as lying there helpless for hours on end wondering if help was ever going to arrive in time?

Some people here have a strange understanding of the meaning of harsh.

Your attack on Katiepie was out of order, she never denied she had responsibility however when you attacked no one knew what had happened or why. It was the gentler discussions that brought out the possible reasons and connections which she is willing to accept as possibilities. No concrete reason for that accident has yet been determined.
There was also the case of the u-turn over top of the overtaking biker where you jumped down the riders throat based on something some other commentator had said and many more examples, some of which have been given in this thread, which you seem to ignore because they don't fit the image you are trying to paint.
Calling twats pulling wheelies in traffic twats is ok calling someone who makes a mistake a twat isn't, calling the mistake stupid is however ok.

[Spearfish]

People say my delivery is harsh and I agree.

Calling Loosebruce a cock was harsh, but was it as harsh as two motorcycles slamming head-on into each other killing both riders through the stupidity of one of those riders?

Saying Daniel was riding like a cock was harsh, but was it as harsh as the WRB that cut him in half?

Some even say that getting Katiepie to admit to her responsibility for her accident was harsh, but was it as harsh as lying there helpless for hours on end wondering if help was ever going to arrive in time?

Some people here have a strange understanding of the meaning of harsh.

I wouldn't say harsh perhaps its more "clinical" a bit like a SCU report, people don't like them either.

[Katman]

Your attack on Katiepie was out of order, she never denied she had responsibility however when you attacked no one knew what had happened or why. It was the gentler discussions that brought out the possible reasons and connections which she is willing to accept as possibilities. No concrete reason for that accident has yet been determined.
There was also the case of the u-turn over top of the overtaking biker where you jumped down the riders throat based on something some other commentator had said and many more examples, some of which have been given in this thread, which you seem to ignore because they don't fit the image you are trying to paint.
Calling twats pulling wheelies in traffic twats is ok calling someone who makes a mistake a twat isn't, calling the mistake stupid is however ok.

Couple of points......

If you think I 'attacked' Katiepie then you must lead a very sheltered life. I responded specifically to her statement that "in this instance it reinforces my belief that some accidents are indeed unavoidable". That doesn't sound like accepting responsibility to me. (As we are all aware, she has since done so).

In the instance of the U-turning cop I seem to remember I merely tried to push the idea that if we don't allow for unexpected occurances around blind corners or over blind crests then we have to shoulder a large part of the responsibility if things turn to shit.

[oneofsix]

Couple of points......

If you think I 'attacked' Katiepie then you must lead a very sheltered life. I responded specifically to her statement that "in this instance it reinforces my belief that some accidents are indeed unavoidable". That doesn't sound like accepting responsibility to me.

Saying some accidents are unavoidable doesn't deny responsibility. You are taking that comment out of context of the general thread, something I like to do for fun but you did it to kick. It is very complicated but you can be responsible for an unavoidable accident because by the time the accident happens the events were put in train long ago.

In the instance of the U-turning cop I seem to remember I merely tried to push the idea that if we don't allow for unexpected occurances around blind corners or over blind crests then we have to shoulder a large part of the responsibility if things turn to shit.

Actually it wasn't the U-turning cop, it was the U-turning woman in the 4wd but now you raised it lets be a bit realistic. The cop Fucked up, he has also fucked up since, he seems to be a but of a fuck up but that could be a reaction to losing his job. Coming over a crest and seeing a slip your reactions kick in automatically, coming over a crest and seeing a cop car blocking the road disbelieve is going to be the first reaction then the avoidance kicks in too late.

[Nasty]

I wouldn't say harsh perhaps its more "clinical" a bit like a SCU report, people don't like them either.

I am sorry but you are wrong there about the comparison of katmans delivery and scu reports. Scu reports come from facts and clinical analysis. Katman doesn't. It's simple that. Scu reports are fine and not designed to be liked but a collection of knowns and assumptions on unknowns, katman often has no collection of facts at all, and purely assumptions, most of which are reasonable, but ,almost all have shockingly bad delivery.

Personally read a couple of reports, and they were good reading. Don't really know what is to like or dislike about them.

[oneofsix]

I am sorry but you are wrong there about the comparison of katmans delivery and scu reports. Scu reports come from facts and clinical analysis. Katman doesn't. It's simple that. Scu reports are fine and not designed to be liked but a collection of knowns and assumptions on unknowns, katman often has no collection of facts at all, and purely assumptions, most of which are reasonable, but ,almost all have shockingly bad delivery.

Personally read a couple of reports, and they were good reading. Don't really know what is to like or dislike about them.

I like the air crash type reports, all factual, third person. Haven't read any SCU reports but they would have to follow a similar format, no actual finger pointing, just let the facts speak. Done operations where they do fault reports and the one thing they always seemed to fail on was they had a focus on who did what wrong rather than what went wrong.

[MSTRS:Me]

People say my delivery is harsh and I agree.

Calling Loosebruce a cock was harsh, but was it as harsh as two motorcycles slamming head-on into each other killing both riders through the stupidity of one of those riders?

Saying Daniel was riding like a cock was harsh, but was it as harsh as the WRB that cut him in half?

Some even say that getting Katiepie to admit to her responsibility for her accident was harsh, but was it as harsh as lying there helpless for hours on end wondering if help was ever going to arrive in time?

Some people here have a strange understanding of the meaning of harsh.

The only time I had a problem with one of your post-crash 'rants' was Skelstar's. Accusing him of using amnesia to conveniently forget the entire week/day/episode was unfair.