9/11 conspiracy debate

[Oscar]

which they?
the terrorists that hijacked the plane with box cutters? they didn't intend to fly it into the ground, there is debate about where they did intend to crash it but it wasn't a field.
The passengers that hijacked the plan off the hijackers? they preferred to crash it to prevent it being used as a weapon like the other 3.
I am presuming we are talking about the plane that crashed in the field and not the one that hit the Pentagon which also hit the ground and plowed into the building.

Sorry, that question was directed at the consipracy theorists.
If it wa a huge plot by the US Gummint, why make it so complicated?

Why not just blow up a landmark building?

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

aliems use money?

depends on the type of aliem... not all aliems fly around in ufo's, some aliems are from aliem country's and illegal aliems they use money???

Sorry, that question was directed at the consipracy theorists.
If it wa a huge plot by the US Gummint, why make it so complicated?

Supposidly to make it harder to find the real truth, they then put out a lot of dis-infomation to confuse every one and that makes it easier for people to believe the offical story...

So they say...

Why not just blow up a landmark building?

They tried that and failed and tighter security harder to get the explosives etc... easier to use a plane as a weapon load with avgas... make bigger boom with less preperation.

[Oscar]

depends on the type of aliem... not all aliems fly around in ufo's, some aliems are from aliem country's and they use money???

illegal aliems

I fuckin' hate aliems...

[Maki]

Are you that dumb He just disproved your "the plane can't do that theory"?

You have taken the word of one statement against the word of at least 3 pilots on here, so who still has there head in the sand?

Thanks for showing me the hopelessness of explaining things beyond the most banal on a forum like this and the foolishness of assuming that people possess knowledge above the most basic.

I suppose I should have written a compendium about what flight envelope and design speed actually means, fluid dynamics, aircraft performance, etc. Never mind. It was educational but in the end rather futile. People believe what they want to regardless...

The knowledge gained from this will save me time in the future

And while you are here I have a job for you. Yes you. Find where I said that a plane can not do that. I was talking about novice pilots performing extreme maneuvers outside the aircrafts design envelope (we have already firmly established that most people on here are clueless as to what that means, but who cares...). Find where I said "the plane can not do that". If you don't, you sure must be dumb, right?

[Swoop]

It was attached to a really tall thing just out of shot,

I totally believe that. Knew it would be something else really tall, like the Empire State Building.

Or a skyhook.

[Quasievil]

This should settle the matter completely, you will see everything here in this piece of photographic evidence which has not been released by anyone.

You will see the Starship Enterprise (a government owned space explorer) with a cable between the cargo bay and the Twin Tower, this cable was shot into the side of the building prior to Scotty launching the 767 along the cable and into the building, at the time of impact the Human torch flew towards the dynamite and ignited it (short fuse) and this caused the explosion. Shortly after thie previous sequence of events , captain america (out of shot) push the buildings over.

Case closed people, this should actually be the last post in this thread eh ?

[marty]

He didn't push them over. He stood on them, while wearing his cloak of invisibility that he stole from the Romulans.

[Oscar]

Thanks for showing me the hopelessness of explaining things beyond the most banal on a forum like this and the foolishness of assuming that people possess knowledge above the most basic.

I suppose I should have written a compendium about what flight envelope and design speed actually means, fluid dynamics, aircraft performance, etc. Never mind. It was educational but in the end rather futile. People believe what they want to regardless...

The knowledge gained from this will save me time in the future

And while you are here I have a job for you. Yes you. Find where I said that a plane can not do that. I was talking about novice pilots performing extreme maneuvers outside the aircrafts design envelope (we have already firmly established that most people on here are clueless as to what that means, but who cares...). Find where I said "the plane can not do that". If you don't, you sure must be dumb, right?

So what you're saying is - you've got nothing.

[BoristheBiter]

Thanks for showing me the hopelessness of explaining things beyond the most banal on a forum like this and the foolishness of assuming that people possess knowledge above the most basic.

I suppose I should have written a compendium about what flight envelope and design speed actually means, fluid dynamics, aircraft performance, etc. Never mind. It was educational but in the end rather futile. People believe what they want to regardless...

The knowledge gained from this will save me time in the future

And while you are here I have a job for you. Yes you. Find where I said that a plane can not do that. I was talking about novice pilots performing extreme maneuvers outside the aircrafts design envelope (we have already firmly established that most people on here are clueless as to what that means, but who cares...). Find where I said "the plane can not do that". If you don't, you sure must be dumb, right?

So you aren't going to explain yourself because you think we are thick and won't understand. We understand alright we just say your completely wrong, have been proven wrong and still won't admit it.

OK Symantec's you posted links to other that said that planes can't do that.
You still agreed with them so my opinion still stands, your still dumber than shit.

Your argument, however you put it is still wrong, plain and simple.

[marty]

Is 510 knots at 700 feet above the ground within the 767 envelope? Are you aware of the fact that things change with altitude? The atmosphere is about 3 times more dense near sea level than it is at cruising altitude for those planes. That affects engine performance and the forces acting on the aircraft.

What does the indicated speed have to do with the physics involved with this?

Why am I even explaining this? Just ask your airline pilot friends what would happen if they flew a 767 at 500 knots at 700 feet above sea level and if novices could execute complicated manouvers under those conditions.

Believe what you want, but there is no need to distort facts such as the design envelope of an aircraft at a given altitude.

As a Licenced Aircraft Engineer, commercial pilot and flight instructor with some other relevant qualifications, I have a pretty good idea about 'design envelope of an aircraft at a given altitude' I'm sorry but I seemed to have missed the post outlining your aviation qualifications.

Some of the hijackers were not complete novices - they had been flying for some time, and there is some proof that they had been doing some simulator work. refer here:

Having finished their flight training at Huffman Aviation and passed their commercial pilot license tests (see August 14-December 19, 2000), Mohamed Atta and Marwan Alshehhi spend December 29 and 30 at the SimCenter flight school at Opa-Locka Airport, near Miami. Saying they want to join an Egyptian airline and need experience in a large plane, they each pay $1,500 in cash and spend six hours, split over the two days, training in the school’s Boeing 727 simulator. Henry George, the school’s owner who trains them, describes their training as a “mini, mini introduction,” and they spend most of their time practicing maneuvers and turns. George later describes Atta and Alshehhi as “average pilots,” and says they are “quite ordinary. They were respectful and quiet almost to the point of being shy.” [New York Times, 9/15/2001; St. Petersburg Times, 9/27/2001; Aviation International News, 11/2001; BBC, 12/12/2001]

[BoristheBiter]

Ok, educate yourself about flying large airliners at 500 knots near the ground and the problems involved with manouvering and hitting small targets at such speeds. Enjoy...
If you still believe people who never flew a large airliner at all did that, fine. In my experience people believe what they want to believe.

You are the person bringing up these different measures of air speed so the only source of confusion is you. I am simply talking about the actual air speed. You obviously have little understanding of the physics involved and the effects of air density at different atitudes.

So what is you field of expertise when it comes to aircraft then?

[BoristheBiter]

This should settle the matter completely, you will see everything here in this piece of photographic evidence which has not been released by anyone.

You will see the Starship Enterprise (a government owned space explorer) with a cable between the cargo bay and the Twin Tower, this cable was shot into the side of the building prior to Scotty launching the 767 along the cable and into the building, at the time of impact the Human torch flew towards the dynamite and ignited it (short fuse) and this caused the explosion. Shortly after thie previous sequence of events , captain america (out of shot) push the buildings over.

Case closed people, this should actually be the last post in this thread eh ?

Hang on where is the second plane??
Those blasted aliems.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

I have been waiting on Nighthawk to point out it was attached to the aliems frying saucer

oh i forgot to mention that... damn aliems

[Quasievil]

Hang on where is the second plane??
Those blasted aliems.

Still at the airport, scotty hadnt teleported it by this time I expect eventually it was in the Cargo bay of the USS enterprise, and shot out a bit later on.

[BoristheBiter]

Still at the airport, scotty hadnt teleported it by this time I expect eventually it was in the Cargo bay of the USS enterprise, and shot out a bit later on.

So thats an early photo then?
i didn't think the human torch didn't turn up till later.