A forking quiz...

[Crasherfromwayback]

You're only as old as the chick your feeling I thought.

Hah! She's mentally far older than I am though.

[Katman]

Maha and I are lucky, he told us to go fuck ourselves. Fortunately we are not adverse to that idea, and infact have taken his advice very seriously indeedy

Please pass on my sympathy to Maha.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Maha and I are lucky, he told us to go fuck ourselves. Fortunately we are not adverse to that idea, and infact have taken his advice very seriously indeedy

Don't think you're special Love, I've been told that too. By many people. Catch 22 though. If it's soft enough to bend it won't go up my arse, and if it's stiff it won't bend.

[Pussy]

Expectations seem a little different amongst motorcyclists.
In my last job, if you made a serious/fatal fuck up, no-one bought you a box of chocolates. The events leading up to the incident were carefully torn apart, often publicly. Wasn't unusual to get a public roasting, either. You were held responsible for your actions.
I admire a few people on here who have put their hand up and owned their mistakes. It even provides a message for others not to make them, or at least consciously try to avoid them.
Sometimes the soft soap approach isn't as effective as the brash "in your face" approach

[Katman]

Sometimes the soft soap approach isn't as effective as the brash "in your face" approach

Thankfully, for a lot, it's a whole lot easier to ignore though.

[Bass]

Sometimes the soft soap approach isn't as effective as the brash "in your face" approach

It has long seemed to me that despite the number of us that revile Katman's delivery style, pretty much everyone understands the message and the reasons behind it.
Consequently, I have also long wondered if the success of dissemination is (in part at least) due to the "in your face" style of the delivery. I find that I have to admit the possibility.

As to whether or not we should be discussing what happened to Dan, I long ago told my family the following: -
If the day ever comes when I die on a motorcycle and investigation reveals that there is something that I could have done to prevent it, but failed to do so, then I want it discussed with little or no regard to peoples feelings. If there is the vaguest possibility that it might prevent the same thing happening to someone else, then please talk about it.
Feelings are transitory things and can be repaired - dead bodies cannot.
Note that I said nothing about fault. Fault is utterly irrelevant.
I of course, can speak only for myself.

Lastly, I have had only one significant "off" on a bike. It was entirely my own fault and I knew that the moment that my helmet hit the road. I have never pretended anything else. Sure, there were adverse road conditions and other contributing factors, but I failed to allow for them and suffered the consequences.
What did I learn from it?
I learned that watching a Monty Python video with 3 broken ribs is a very bad idea

[Crasherfromwayback]

Thankfully, for a lot, it's a whole lot easier to ignore though.

I'm hoping the soft approach isn't being ignored, maybe it simply doesn't make everyone want to shoot the messenger.

[Maha]

Fork/Bike/Plane....potentially leathal.

Stace Hopper died last year at Marsden Cove. He crashed his light plane shortly after take off and died as a result. The CAA report says the predominant cause of the accident was Mr Hopper made a decision to operate the aircraft in an unsafe manner.
He flew the aircraft parallel with the ground after takeoff.
The aircraft followed the the air-strip, close to the ground. When it was near to a parked van (180m from the end of the air-strip) it pulled up and banked.
The right wing tip struck the vans drivers door and the plane crashed 50m beyond the van.
The occupants in the van were known to Mr Hopper and it is believed that Mr Hopper may have flown the plane towards the van at low level...a 'fly by'.
Publication of The report would serve to highlight the possible consequences of ''at risk behaviour''

[Pussy]

Fork/Bike/Plane....potentially leathal.

Stace Hopper died last year at Marsden Cove. He crashed his light plane shortly after take off and died as a result. The CAA report says the predominant cause of the accident was Mr Hopper made a decision to operate the aircraft in an unsafe manner.
He flew the aircraft parallel with the ground after takeoff.
The aircraft followed the the air-strip, close to the ground. When it was near to a parked van (180m from the end of the air-strip) it pulled up and banked.
The right wing tip struck the vans drivers door and the plane crashed 50m beyond the van.
The occupants in the van were known to Mr Hopper and it is believed that Mr Hopper may have flown the plane towards the van at low level...a 'fly by'.
Publication of The report would serve to highlight the possible consequences of ''at risk behaviour''

Yeah, well that was a real crowd pleaser!
That was a typical "confidence exceeding competence" act.
The dead pilot gets no sympathy from me

[Maha]

Yeah, well that was a real crowd pleaser!
That was a typical "confidence exceeding competence" act.
The dead pilot gets no sympathy from me

CAA says 'The flightpath of the plane suggests there was a conscious and deliberate decision by the pilot not to follow the normal climb profile after takeoff and fly towards the van at low level'

....given a second chance I would suggest Mr Hopper wouldn't attempt that again.

[Crasherfromwayback]

....given a second chance I would suggest Mr Hopper would attempt that again.

Therein lies the problem with such decisions.

[Ocean1]

What level of risk is acceptable?

I'm assuming that nobody is silly enough to suggest it's possible to ride with 0% chance of having an accident.

Should we ride in such a manner that we're statistically likely to have an accident every 1000k? 100,000k? 1000,000?

And: to whom does the risk, (whatever the experts say that should be) need to be acceptable?

[Maha]

Therein lies the problem with such decisions.

I have edited the post Pete, the word 'would' suggests I know the guy's personallity when I dont.

[Maha]

What level of risk is acceptable?

I'm assuming that nobody is silly enough to suggest it's possible to ride with 0% chance of having an accident.

Should we ride in such a manner that we're statistically likely to have an accident every 1000k? 100,000k? 1000,000?

And: to whom does the risk, (whatever the experts say that should be) need to be acceptable?

The risk needs to be acceptable to the risk taker...a decision coupled with risk assesment is made in a split second.
That split second has total control of your life until the decision made to perhaps risk it, is completed safely.
Sometimes it does not always go to plan.

[Katman]

Sometimes it does not always go to plan.

Sometimes it just comes down to how well you've planned.