9/11 conspiracy debate

[onearmedbandit]

You might enjoy the following article since it nicely explains why you think the way you do.

http://www.naturalnews.com/032293_gullible_minds.html





"At this point, their rational mind is completely shut off on the topic. No accumulation of facts can, at that point, rattle their "reality." For example, a person who believes the government's story of 9/11 has already embraced the Easter Bunny version of terrorists flying airplanes into the World Trade Center towers. So how did this act cause the WTC 7 building to collapse in a demolition-style free-fall a few hours later, when WTC 7 was never struck by airplanes? How can a steel and concrete building suddenly and magically collapse in perfect structural synchronicity merely from being on fire?

The answers don't matter to The Gullible Mind, you see. There is no room for facts inside their heads, because all the space has been taken up with what is essentially a cult-like belief in institutions of authority."

Maki. Please take the time to read the following link from non-government sources. Now tell me, why am I gullible for believing that but not gullible for believing what your sources say?

http://11-settembre.blogspot.com/200...ld-photos.html

I look forward to your response.

[Maki]

Maki. Please take the time to read the following link from non-government sources. Now tell me, why am I gullible for believing that but not gullible for believing what your sources say?

http://11-settembre.blogspot.com/200...ld-photos.html

I look forward to your response.

Who said you were?

[Dadpole]

Some people might advise you to stop digging now, but I am enjoying this...

[The Stranger:Me]

You might enjoy the following article since it nicely explains why you think the way you do.

http://www.naturalnews.com/032293_gullible_minds.html

"(NaturalNews) In light of the string of the blatant falsehoods being announced by the U.S. government these days (FDA, DHS, White House, etc.) it's interesting that so many people still believe whatever they are told by "official" sources. It brings up the question of the functioning of their brains: How could a person swallow official information so gullibly and so completely without even asking commonsense questions about the reliability or factual basis of that information?"

"Interestingly, the Gullible Mind is also inwardly gullible because it does not recognize its own gullibility. Instead, it believes it is operating as a Rational Mind. This false Rational Mind believes it functions as a critical filter of incoming information, but even this is self deception. In truth, this false Rational Mind is on "auto filter" so that it filters out any information that conflicts with the information it is receiving from official sources."

"At this point, their rational mind is completely shut off on the topic. No accumulation of facts can, at that point, rattle their "reality." For example, a person who believes the government's story of 9/11 has already embraced the Easter Bunny version of terrorists flying airplanes into the World Trade Center towers. So how did this act cause the WTC 7 building to collapse in a demolition-style free-fall a few hours later, when WTC 7 was never struck by airplanes? How can a steel and concrete building suddenly and magically collapse in perfect structural synchronicity merely from being on fire?

The answers don't matter to The Gullible Mind, you see. There is no room for facts inside their heads, because all the space has been taken up with what is essentially a cult-like belief in institutions of authority."

"That's why the Gullible Mind is more than merely gullible: It is a cowardly mind. It is afraid to ask questions on its own, and it simultaneously attacks those who have the courage to stand up and actually ask those questions (like Jesse Ventura)."



I am not telling you who did it because I don't know. All I am really trying to get you to do is open up your own mind and stop believing everything you hear that comes from what you think is an "official source". And does the fact that I posted an article that mentions falsehoods announced by the US government mean that I think the US government is responsible for 911? NO.

In your zeal to not be gullible you seem to conveniently overlook a few points.
The Americans claim Osama was behind it, Osama has accepted he is behind it (on a couple of occasions) however even if these are disputed he has had ample opertunity to refute it - again, I ask you has he refuted it, if so where?

Then you have the likes of the Ayatollah Khomeini and many dozens of leading Muslims condemning Osama for it.
Of course I'm sure that all of these people are simply gullible like me or in collusion. That's why I am so glad the world has the likes of yourself to see through the bullshit and set the record straight for us all - Except for the minor detail - by your own admission you haven't a clue what happened so can't.


and I realise that you are making no statement as to who has done it. I've already explained that. You would far rather be on the outside, knocking, and hedging your bets. You're in politics aren't you?

[avgas]

Hmmmmmm another building (7) with damage on one side only that manages to collapse perfectly.
While I don't buy into the whole conspiracy thing - but the aliems thing is coming close.
I am still yet to see anything about how 2 planes hitting 2 buildings makes 3 buildings fall down all most perfectly with no lean or topple.
I believe that 2 planes hit these buildings - that I have no doubts. But a building that casts such a massive shadow as the WTC........and to not fall on it side when 2 planes hit it........

it has to involve aliens..........not even the easter bunny could stop that.

[Banditbandit]

I am still yet to see anything about how 2 planes hitting 2 buildings makes 3 buildings fall down all most perfectly with no lean or topple.
I believe that 2 planes hit these buildings - that I have no doubts. But a building that casts such a massive shadow as the WTC........and to not fall on it side when 2 planes hit it........

it has to involve aliens..........not even the easter bunny could stop that.

From the font of all knowledge - wikipedia ...

As the North Tower collapsed on September 11, 2001, heavy debris hit 7 World Trade Center, causing damage to the south face of the building.[4] The bottom portion of the building's south face was damaged by debris, including damage to the southwest corner from the 8th to 18th floors, a large vertical gash on the center-bottom extending at least ten floors, and other damage as high as the 18th floor.[4] The building was equipped with a sprinkler system, but had many single-point vulnerabilities for failure: the sprinkler system required manual initiation of the electrical fire pumps, rather than being a fully automatic system; the floor-level controls had a single connection to the sprinkler water riser; and the sprinkler system required some power for the fire pump to deliver water. Also, water pressure was low, with little or no water to feed sprinklers.[27][28]

After the North Tower collapsed, some firefighters entered 7 World Trade Center to search the building. They attempted to extinguish small pockets of fire, but low water pressure hindered their efforts.[29] Fires burned into the afternoon on the 11th and 12th floors of 7 World Trade Center, the flames visible on the east side of the building.[30][31] During the afternoon, fire was also seen on floors 6–10, 13–14, 19–22, and 29–30.[4] In particular, the fires on floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 continued to burn out of control during the afternoon.[32] At approximately 2:00 pm, firefighters noticed a bulge in the southwest corner of 7 World Trade Center between the 10th and 13th floors, a sign that the building was unstable and might collapse.[33] During the afternoon, firefighters also heard creaking sounds coming from the building.[34] Around 3:30 pm FDNY Chief Daniel Nigro decided to halt rescue operations, surface removal, and searches along the surface of the debris near 7 World Trade Center and evacuate the area due to concerns for the safety of personnel.[35] At 5:20:33 pm EDT on September 11, 2001, 7 World Trade Center started to collapse, with the crumble of the east mechanical penthouse, while at 5:21:10 pm EDT the entire building collapsed completely.[1] There were no casualties associated with the collapse.

[mashman]

Hmmmmmm another building (7) with damage on one side only that manages to collapse perfectly.
While I don't buy into the whole conspiracy thing - but the aliems thing is coming close.
I am still yet to see anything about how 2 planes hitting 2 buildings makes 3 buildings fall down all most perfectly with no lean or topple.
I believe that 2 planes hit these buildings - that I have no doubts. But a building that casts such a massive shadow as the WTC........and to not fall on it side when 2 planes hit it........

it has to involve aliens..........not even the easter bunny could stop that.

Fucksake... Right, it wasn't the planes that were holograms, it was the Kamikaze Aliems. Each individual aliem had a cloaking device and stood in the corners of each of the floors that hasn't exploded yet. Once they received the command, they detonated their aliem explosions, giving the effect of a controlled explosion that would taunt the greatest minds of men for decades to come.

Building 7. It took them too long to decide what drinks to get from the shops, in fact it was the great american debate that fucked things up. Pepsi or Coca Cola. When they returned, they were distraught to find that only 1 of them had carried through with the plan, causing the BBC announcer to say that the building had collapsed when it hadn't. You could clearly see it over her shoulder in the LIVE TV feed... anyhoo, the aliems got their shit together and it finally came down in an orderly fashion. I won't change my mind on this!

[The Stranger:Me]

Hmmmmmm another building (7) with damage on one side only that manages to collapse perfectly.
While I don't buy into the whole conspiracy thing - but the aliems thing is coming close.
I am still yet to see anything about how 2 planes hitting 2 buildings makes 3 buildings fall down all most perfectly with no lean or topple.
I believe that 2 planes hit these buildings - that I have no doubts. But a building that casts such a massive shadow as the WTC........and to not fall on it side when 2 planes hit it........

it has to involve aliens..........not even the easter bunny could stop that.

But surely the conspiritors whom pretty much thought of everyting and demolition experts who set these charges with such precision and may I add stealth would have (given the otherwise meticulous planning) considered this and made the building topple sideways. I mean, come on, it's not like it's a minor detail, it hasn't escaped Maki or you.

[imdying]

You try to justify your unsupportable position by linking to a conspiracy theory site that declares people who believe something opposed to their view as gullible. Really?

Seriously, what sort of retardation do you have that lets you blindly flap flap flap in the face of common sense? You talk about wanting to know the real facts, but continue to ignore that obvious well supported ones just because they come from the government? And you subscribe to that crap as your legitimate alternative?

Just how fucking stupid are you? After the first few posts, I just assumed your mother dropped you when you were a baby, sad but happens... but now I'm starting to think she didn't drop you at all, she grabbed you by the ankles and smacked you against the fridge every day till you were two. Mind you, if she had had an inkling of how much of a fuck up you'd turn out to be, I can't say I blame her.

[mashman]

Hmmmmmm another building (7) with damage on one side only that manages to collapse perfectly.
While I don't buy into the whole conspiracy thing - but the aliems thing is coming close.
I am still yet to see anything about how 2 planes hitting 2 buildings makes 3 buildings fall down all most perfectly with no lean or topple.
I believe that 2 planes hit these buildings - that I have no doubts. But a building that casts such a massive shadow as the WTC........and to not fall on it side when 2 planes hit it........

it has to involve aliens..........not even the easter bunny could stop that.

How could the BBC get this so so wrong? (if of course that is the Salomon building). Just to the right of her head, even though it has just been reported live that the building had already collapsed (where do they get their news) 1:18 there's an arrow pointing at the building.

[onearmedbandit]

How could the BBC get this so so wrong? (if of course that is the Salomon building). Just to the right of her head, even though it has just been reported live that the building had already collapsed (where do they get their news) 1:18 there's an arrow pointing at the building.

The media? Getting something wrong? Well fuck me that's never happened before, or since. I'm sold now.

[marty]

please learn how to multi quote.

And this is how you back up and justify your position. From the Huffington:

In the aftermath of Sept. 11, bin Laden found himself on a second list and in more familiar company: He became one of 22 suspected terrorists on the FBI’s newly created Most Wanted list devoted exclusively to such operatives. The message was clear: Now that terrorism had come to U.S. shores, all Americans could help wage a “war on terror” by being the government's local eyes and ears -- echoing the call for public help that launched the FBI's Ten Most Wanted list in 1950.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_856680.html

[Maki]

please learn how to multi quote.

And this is how you back up and justify your position. From the Huffington:

In the aftermath of Sept. 11, bin Laden found himself on a second list and in more familiar company: He became one of 22 suspected terrorists on the FBI’s newly created Most Wanted list devoted exclusively to such operatives. The message was clear: Now that terrorism had come to U.S. shores, all Americans could help wage a “war on terror” by being the government's local eyes and ears -- echoing the call for public help that launched the FBI's Ten Most Wanted list in 1950.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_856680.html

They certainly imply it, though note that they never directly state it. They leave it to you to read whatever meaning that suits you into it but they sure lead you in a certain direction.

I prefer to take the word of Dick Chaney and Rex Tomb. I understand why you choose to believe what you do. That has already been discussed in the post dealing with gullibility. In light of the facts your position is absurd. No need to try to "back it up".

http://www.twf.org/News/Y2006/0608-BinLaden.html

"The 'FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11'. Vice President Cheney says, 'We've never made the case, or argued the case, that somehow Osama Bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11'"

Bin Laden was wanted for crimes previous to 911.

[Maki]

You try to justify your unsupportable position by linking to a conspiracy theory site that declares people who believe something opposed to their view as gullible. Really?

Seriously, what sort of retardation do you have that lets you blindly flap flap flap in the face of common sense? You talk about wanting to know the real facts, but continue to ignore that obvious well supported ones just because they come from the government? And you subscribe to that crap as your legitimate alternative?

Just how fucking stupid are you? After the first few posts, I just assumed your mother dropped you when you were a baby, sad but happens... but now I'm starting to think she didn't drop you at all, she grabbed you by the ankles and smacked you against the fridge every day till you were two. Mind you, if she had had an inkling of how much of a fuck up you'd turn out to be, I can't say I blame her.

Hmmm, what side of the bed did you get out on this morning? I can't believe that my suggestions have caused so much turmoil in your head... I hope you feel better tomorrow.

[Maki]

In your zeal to not be gullible you seem to conveniently overlook a few points.
The Americans claim Osama was behind it, Osama has accepted he is behind it (on a couple of occasions) however even if these are disputed he has had ample opertunity to refute it - again, I ask you has he refuted it, if so where?

Really, that's very interesting. Then how do you explain this:

"Ten years of messages and interviews with al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden have been leaked. Translated by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the documents were posted on a blog Friday.

Posted to Secrecy News blog on September 12, and copied to similar sites including Wikileaks.org, the ten years of messages span from 1994-2004. The packet, issued in 2004, is nearly 300 pages, and labeled "official use only". It was translated by the Foreign Broadcast Information Service (FBIS), a division of the CIA, and includes interviews with bin Laden from various news agencies and also includes messages he sent directly to the United States.

One message includes bin Laden's denial of having anything to do with the September 11, 2001 attacks in New York City, Washington, D.C. and Pennsylvania.

"Following the latest explosions in the United States, some Americans are pointing the finger at me, but I deny that because I have not done it. The United States has always accused me of these incidents which have been caused by its enemies. Reiterating once again, I say that I have not done it, and the perpetrators have carried this out because of their own interest," said bin Laden on September 16, 2001, just five days after the attacks."

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikileak...nslated_by_CIA

The idea that Osama Bin Laden accepted that he is behind it is another fable for the consumption of the gullible.