2011 Budget

[oneofsix]

Muzz for Prez, James for Finacne minister

[White trash]

Dear John Key and Bill English,

Please find below our suggestion for fixing New Zealand's economy…..

Instead of giving billions of dollars to the Banks, Iwi's and others to be squandered on unearned bonuses and extravagant oveseas trips, use the following plan.

You can call it the Patriotic Retirement Plan:

There are about 1 million people over 50 in the work force.
Pay them $1 million each severance for early retirement with the following stipulations:

1) They MUST retire. One million job openings = unemployment fixed ....
2) They MUST buy a new car. One million cars ordered = motor industry fixed.
3) They MUST either buy a house or pay off their mortgage and the banks must use the money for cheap new loans for new home buyers = housing supply and affordability fixed.
4) They MUST buy at least $100 of alcohol a week = your money back in duty/tax etc.
5) The MUST buy some shares in the strategic NZ companies you propose flogging off, and hold them for at least 10 years = US owning OUR remaining assets and more money kept in NZ instead of sent overseas. Note that of our biggest 20 companies in 1988 ALL are now owned overseas or controlled or owned by Graeme Hart, except for Fisher & Paykel; and from just Telecom and the BNZ alone (and not even including the other 17 companies) $16 billion of dividends has gone to their overseas owners.
6) They MUST pay for their grandchildren to go to University = no further need for student loans and more doctors and nurses.
7) Instead of stuffing around with the carbon emissions trading scheme that makes us pay for the major polluters, tell the greedy bastards to reduce their pollution emissions by 75% within 5 years or they'll be shut down = more jobs for inventive NZ manufacturers providing polution solutions and more tourists to a really cleaner, greener NZ.
8) If you need more money, have all MP's pay back their falsely claimed expenses and second home allowances.

And while we are at it, lets address the needs of the Elderly and Criminals

Let's put the pensioners in jail and the criminals in a nursing home.

This way the pensioners would have access to showers, hobbies and walks.
They'd receive unlimited free prescriptions, dental and medical treatment, wheel chairs etc and they'd receive money instead of paying it out.
They would have constant video monitoring, so they could be helped instantly, if they fell, or needed assistance.
Bedding would be washed twice a week, and all clothing would be ironed and returned to them.
They would be checked every 20 minutes and be provided with all meals and snacks.
They would have family visits in a suite built for that purpose.
They would have access to a library, weight room, spiritual counselling, pool and education courses.
Simple clothing, shoes, slippers, PJ's and legal aid would be free, on request.
Private, secure rooms for all, with an exercise outdoor yard, with gardens.
Each pensioner could have a computer, tv, radio and daily phone calls.
There would be a board of directors to hear complaints, and the caregivers would have a code of conduct that would be strictly adhered to.

The criminals would get cold food, be left all alone and unsupervised, with lights off at 8pm and showers once a week.

While living in a tiny room and paying $800.00 per week with no hope of ever getting out.

Quite obviously a cut and paste from some other website as there's nowhere near 1 million people over 50 in the workforce in New Zealand.

And did you do the math? The deficit is almost 40 million. You're suggesting spending 1 trillion dollars (count the zeros einstein 1,000,000,000,000) That's a million, MILLION dollars.

Bro.............

[Oakie]

I vote anarchy.

Isn't that an oxymoron?

[Oakie]

Quite obviously a cut and paste from some other website as there's nowhere near 1 million people over 50 in the workforce in New Zealand.

And did you do the math? The deficit is almost 40 million. You're suggesting spending 1 trillion dollars (count the zeros einstein 1,000,000,000,000) That's a million, MILLION dollars.

Bro.............

Someone seriously suggested some of the first half of that be done in the USA when the recession started. Then someone checked the maths...

[mashman]

Dear John Key and Bill English,
money money, moving money, giving some away, obviously borrowing it, selling stuff to get it, paying people off (redundancy ), etc...

1) Get rid of money in NZ
2) Gets around the need to tweak taxation/financial policies etc...
3) Buy everyones mortgages/land that aren't NZ owned. (100% ownership)
4) Mark up a smart rosta for "careeer progression" in NZ.
5) Invite businesses from around the world to have their base of operations in NZ for a flat rate 1% of their turnover (our workforce is free... think about it. (using people from 4) on work experience ).
6) Ignore those who don't want to work (financial system or not, accept that some won't work... let's not be naive or petty about it, "he's not working so i won't" )
7) Pay off existing loans owed by NZ owned businesses and govt.

You can see where I'm going with that...

100% locally owned NZ, with cash to burn for fuel, medicine, bulk buy the latest and greatest TV's etc... after all, our workforce is "free" (1% of turnover) (do you think companies would set up in NZ?) ... Our factories are to be converted to run using alternative power sources as the primary fuel source. 100% (ish) Clean and Green.

All of the best bits of everything. A cutting edge society (no money, drastically less crime rate), producing cutting edge technology (high end becomes competitive, "free" workforce remember), no need for businesses to hunt for finance to pay for escalating wage costs (because there won't be any)...

blah blah blah blah... A Financial and a Social policy with 1 single idea and a few tweaks... Or someone elses version of similar.

Education, Health, etc... second to none on the globe.

[Brian d marge]

The MOST disappointing thing about this budget is Motorcyclists haven't taken their shotgun out of the cupboard and set up barricades of burning tyres around Parliament.

The Government is claiming the the deficit has been offset by gains made by - come on you can do it - ACC.

It was broke 2 years ago.

They raised motorcycle rego levies because ACC was broke.

As I said at the time, it isn't broke, its fund managers are geniuses who turn their surplus into industry sustaining investment for many NZ companies.

In a country with balls, MAG and BRONZ would be howling for Nick Smith's resignation because he lied. Hell, individual bikers would be openly harassing him. He stood up in front of 9500 bikers and lied. In a lot of countries that's a political death sentence. He stood in front of a variety of media organisations and formats and lied. We knew that. No one else did. No one else cared. The Unions didn't care, the media dismissed us as a bunch of greasy blue-collar herberts, and the Government went on a divide and conquer mission that succeeded beautifully the moment our "representatives" accepted Government coin to come up with a "solution" for the motorcycling "problem".

The only "problem" is the inability of any organisation to gain any traction against a Government intent on turning NZ into a bi-cultural nightmare country with two administrations running people's lives based on race and an intense, burning need to divest itself of any public property or investment opportunities that will benefit voters directly in return for license payments from a foreign owned corporations that are a fraction of the potential earnings a NZ owned Corporation could make.

Taranaki has some of the best light, sweet crude oil in the world. Diesel is going to become increasingly important as a fuel source, as is the lower refining costs associated with this quality of oil. We don't own those oil fields. We sold them. We get a license fee from a company who fills a giant tanker that doesn't berth anywhere in NZ and sods off with an energy source that made country's like Norway incredibly rich and gave its citizens a standard of living that is unmatched. In a country perched on the edge of cliffs, mountains, The North Sea and the Arctic Circle.

Kiwis are mad.

I'm standing, bedraggled , holding my placard ( votes for wimmin ) or was it the right to wear a short dress one one I cant remember now

Ive bought my spinning machine , have some jesus boots and ready to do .....................

Nothing ( as a good keen bloke should)

oh I may grumble a bit , or vent my frustrations to that nice man on the radio , but nothing shall I do and nothing shall be done


Stephen

Actually , nothing IS what I am going to do ,,, For 10 years NZ government has received , not one drop of my money ..... ( all transactions were to owner operators and were in cash , except one which was paid in cash but to a largish company , who I think may be owner operated but,,,,, )


Oh and here in the United States of New Zealand, organization is spelt with a "z" ( your spell check should have picked that up.....

[trustme]

1/ We get rid of money , cool
3/ Buy everyones mortgages/ land with the money we have not got.
5/ We want 1% of turn over but we don't use money. Oh I get it, we want MUNG BEANS
7/ we pay off business & govt loans with mung beans as well because we don't have money . You do remember # 1 don't you.

you have been smoking Brians hemp skirt again haven't you. Stop it he will get cold.

[mashman]

1/ We get rid of money , cool
3/ Buy everyones mortgages/ land with the money we have not got.
5/ We want 1% of turn over but we don't use money. Oh I get it, we want MUNG BEANS
7/ we pay off business & govt loans with mung beans as well because we don't have money . You do remember # 1 don't you.

you have been smoking Brians hemp skirt again haven't you. Stop it he will get cold.

Try using that muscle inside your head, instead of letting it dictate terms ... that's the problem with "you people", you believe there is a box to be thought outside of .

3/ We pool ALL of our money into a single pot. There May not be enough, so we may have to borrow.
5/ Fucksake, we, as in NZ, will still need to earn a living in the global financial marketplace... duh!
7/ Similar to 3, but some businesses just won't be needed, so no need to pay the loans etc...

Is that the best you've got? Half arsed criticisms, ZERO imagination and no solutions , I'd love to say I was surprised, but "you people" are everywhere. As I said before, try USING yer brain for a change instead of relying on auto-pilot.

[Brian d marge]

Dont unsettle the natives ... once they realize they have been sold a pup

they are having enough trouble will Acc , student loans , food prices , oh and the latest one ..the enormous debt , that we apparently cant pay back

mean while , my hemp is growing without a care in the world .....

Stephen

[trustme]

You are talking in riddles
1/ Get rid of money in NZ That is pretty unambiguous
5/ We still need to earn a living in the global financial market . The last time I looked that meant in simple terms dealing in money for commodities

To try a split the foreign trade from the internal economy would be nigh on impossible

If you attempted to promote your argument a little more coherently rather than resorting to abuse of the sceptics you might get somewhere, but of course that is what I have come to expect from ' you people '

Humour me for a second, you appear to be promoting a form of collectivism. People are all different , they all have different wants , needs & aspirations. We as the human race are not communal animals, there are always leaders & followers, some want to be rich , some want to sit in their vegie garden & chill, some want to travel the world & some never want to leave the west coast. How does this system of yours make room for the diversity of wants & needs.???

PS, I have a vegie garden too so take that in a nice way.

[mashman]

To try a split the foreign trade from the internal economy would be nigh on impossible

If you attempted to promote your argument a little more coherently rather than resorting to abuse of the sceptics you might get somewhere, but of course that is what I have come to expect from ' you people '

Again, use your own brain, don't trust mine (i don't, i see no reason why you should ).

The problem with "you people" (if you take that as me being abusive, that's your problem... not mine ), is that you refuse to work things out for yourself.

For instance:

To try a split the foreign trade from the internal economy would be nigh on impossible

Is that the way you see it? My brain tells me that there will be no need for such a thing as an internal "financial" economy. Split accomplished.

[Brett]

The mind boggles. Still $380M borrowed each week increasing our deficit. That is $19B. If someone was spending a large amount more than they earned every week people would tell them to pull their head in and be financially responsible. (And many would blame them for the financial crisis in a way). YET...we carry on the charge of the light brigade like a bunch of fuckin' chumps. It is not like we are even investing that $380M in something that will ultimately provide us with a productive outcome such as tech R&D, new infrastructure etc. A large portion of it goes into the bloody big black hole that is social welfare, rediculous treaty settlements etc. (and by elections...Hone you cock.)

Even rats bail from a sinking ship eventually.

[trustme]

Is that the way you see it? My brain tells me that there will be no need for such a thing as an internal "financial" economy. Split accomplished.

Sorry ' me people ' again. You seem to be promoting a type of internal barter system. We work at something & in return the gummint or 'them' gives us something in return. Is the something we get, something of our choice, or 'theirs' ? Who decides how much of something we get? Do we get more of something the harder we work ?. Can we save up our somethings & trade them for something else or must somethings be used when supplied.? After all someone else might have something that I want more than my something.

I like this getting rid of money for something, soooo much simpler.

[mashman]

Sorry ' me people ' again. You seem to be promoting a type of internal barter system. We work at something & in return the gummint or 'them' gives us something in return. Is the something we get, something of our choice, or 'theirs' ? Who decides how much of something we get? Do we get more of something the harder we work ?. Can we save up our somethings & trade them for something else or must somethings be used when supplied.? After all someone else might have something that I want more than my something.

I like this getting rid of money for something, soooo much simpler.

back again eh ... I just want to set 1 thing straight, for the record . This is my perspective, not the perspective of any "collective" or "organisation" that currently promotes similar "ideals"... my "wanting" brain in action (what's your excuse "you people")... to that end...

There may be no need for a govt, not as we currently view it anyway. Although some "governing" body will be required to look after the interests of the country, both globally and internally.

No barter system. If something needs doing, someone just does it (think logistics department for recource management)... things WILL be planned and built/repaired/made to last, to exceptionally high standards and quality (no point in doing it otherwise).

Work. We work or the whole thing doesn't work (same as we do already, but without financial rewards :shit). It may well be that those who don't want to go on and study would be obliged (stolen from a recent govt getting the "sick" back into work) to choose some "community" based work i.e. do a bin run, maintain the drains etc... the incentive being more personal time than everyone else, maybe just working 2 - 3 hours per day, as opposed to "skilled" trades that may need to work 5 hours per day, I'm sure the logistics department would have a clearer idea of what is required.

As for greed, need, excess, want desire etc... that whole kettle of fish revolves around an education policy and how we "breed" the next generation. Educated in terms of "social responsibility" (as wanky as it sounds, it's what we currently do, just really really badly). Included in that education will be things like, sharing. Wanna go fishing for the weekend, go talk to the logistics department, see what boats are going out and if there's any room on them. Wanna go hunting, talk to logistics, see what's available. Want that smart wanky boat/yacht/lodge/bach etc... for the weekend, go talk to logistics. Everyone gets a shit at everything, as long as it's available. You don't need to own your own boat, especially when it sits there for 26 weeks of the year and someone else already has one... I'm sure you see where I'm going with that.

Gawd this is much easier to discuss than it is to type... at least you get "instant" clarification where things get all me shitty explanatory ambiguous... "Your people" would probably have different/better/smarter ways of running things within that sort of economy.

The idea really is, if someone needs something done, talk to logistics, then it gets done. No need for skill trade etc... by all means provide a few beers with a mate if you're taking some of his personal time (do you really give your mates beer in trade , or as a gesture)... courtesy and appreciation does not have to stop.

It'd make budget decisions a little easier.

[Mully]

1) Get rid of money in NZ

Honestly, you ignore one very salient point with this every time:

How am I supposed to know I'm better than my neighbours if I don't have more money/stuff??