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    Quote Originally Posted by huff3r View Post
    Not true. As part of an armed force of a nation, one is allowed to kill, at any time, and without warning, any other member of another armed force of another nation without it constituting murder. It is a legal get-around in the Defence Act.
    Yup, that's correct, it must be ok to kill because the words say so

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul in NZ View Post
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/4998203...mjanjuk-freed/

    Ooops - looks like he might not actually be Ivan the Terrible... Oh dear...

    Poor bastard, get conscripted into the Red Army (pretty damn traumatic event right there), caputured by the Germans (most of them were shot on the spot) and gets an offer to become a prison camp guard which I would think was a once in a lifetime offer (ie, refuse and we shoot you or starve you to death)

    I mean I'm sure he was brutal but he was in a brutal situation and lots of Jews were dobbed in by fellow Jews... Christ, over 3 times as many Russians died as did people in concentration camps and in often far worse conditions - is it any wonder he took up the guard job? Lots of Jews did too....

    I'm all for them chasing legit targets but this one always seemed a bit wiffy. Its time to get over this, this poor bastard should never have been subjected to this mess, its not really a great look IMHO.
    They don't want their own to forget that they must stand alone and aloof from the rest of the world!

    It's their point of difference: "Divided they stand, united they fall"

    United with or integrated with the rest of the world the chosen race would soon disappear and be forgotten!

    Well this is what I was told by one of their prominent citizens many years ago.

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    US Justice found him not guilty , hey OJ did not do it either remember.I don't have much faith in the American judicial system

    You evaded my real point, the Germans felt there was a case to answer. They put that case before the court for the court to decide whether he was guilty or innocent. Ultimately he was found guilty. Should the German justice system not have prosecuted simply because so much time had elapsed as you seem to suggest ??
    I repeat that I think that is a very slippery slope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trustme View Post
    the Germans felt there was a case to answer. They put that case before the court for the court to decide whether he was guilty or innocent. Ultimately he was found guilty. Should the German justice system not have prosecuted simply because so much time had elapsed as you seem to suggest ??
    I repeat that I think that is a very slippery slope.
    Name one useful point that will be achieved prosecuting him?
    Slippery slope to where?

    Or are you one of those "If there is a case to answer - hell or high water it will be answered" types?
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    Quote Originally Posted by trustme View Post
    US Justice found him not guilty , hey OJ did not do it either remember.I don't have much faith in the American judicial system

    You evaded my real point, the Germans felt there was a case to answer. They put that case before the court for the court to decide whether he was guilty or innocent. Ultimately he was found guilty. Should the German justice system not have prosecuted simply because so much time had elapsed as you seem to suggest ??
    I repeat that I think that is a very slippery slope.
    Sorry - I really think this is just some kind of mental PC whitewashing in that they had to find him guilty of 'something' having cocked up his identity and kept him in jail for years already.

    The bloody Germans capture him, make him become a guard (6 months only) in a bloody camp they built and now the Germans find him guilty of being an accessory to murder because he was there and there was a possibility he might have escaped? There is not on shred of evidence that he ever hurt or killed anyone, he was just the lowest ranked 'guard' in the place. No worse than a Jewish 'trustee' prisoner.

    The families of people who died at the camp that are baying for punishment yet no one is even sure what he did there? I'll bet there was a town nearby and some towns people knew what was happening, they were there, they could have stopped it, lets go after them too....

    I'm sorry - its just plain nuts to chase this guy..... Not a slippery slope, nothing, he didnt murder anyone, might not have even shouted at anyone, indeed they have not been able to find a single shred of evidence in all this time that he ever did.

    There were many many atrocities in that war and indeed all wars but I think that whats been done to this guy is a deliberate injustice to cover up a mistaken identity, to show the world that the germans were really nice guys and it was only 'the nazis' that ever did anything wrong and to keep the 'cause' in the headlines. Its genuinely pathetic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul in NZ View Post

    There were many many atrocities in that war and indeed all wars but I think that whats been done to this guy is a deliberate injustice to cover up a mistaken identity, to show the world that the germans were really nice guys and it was only 'the nazis' that ever did anything wrong and to keep the 'cause' in the headlines. Its genuinely pathetic!
    There was one in Featherston. One bloke killed most of those 48 dead Japanese PoWs and 1 Kiwi camp guard. He was celebrated as a hero. The Great-Grandfather of Emily Longley who just died in the UK was a conscientious objector but joined the NZ Army as a medic and he was severely criticised (and punished) for pulling wounded Japanese out of the line of fire and giving first aid. They ignored the fact that he also helped 6 Kiwi prison guards also wounded.

    You guys can rant all you want about John Demjanjuk being a murdering prison guard from WWII. We have our own.

    Know why those Japanese soldiers had a sit down protest? They were deeply ashamed at having been captured and thought that they were being illegally forced to work for the enemy. No one told them that they were being sent to work on farms. They thought they were being marched off to be killed or worked to death and one of their officers was unaware that it was legal for PoWs to be used in work gangs. Many of them were suicidal and the cultural differences were ignored. Poor communication and a prison guard whose brother had been killed by the Japanese resulted in an atrocity, that most of the population of NZ celebrated at the time.

    Also the blather about war differentiating between combatants and non-combatants is utter rubbish. Russia lost more non-combatants than the Allies combined combatant losses.

    If there were issues of legality, why did Great Britain choose to start bombing centres of population? Remember they started their "Strategic" bombing prior to the Battle of Britain and Hitler's subsequent decision to bomb London.

    The decision making hierarchy who devised and managed the Holocaust are long dead. If anyone wants to point fingers as to why a lot of the senior and middle management of the death camps got away and died in obscurity and exile, the finger needs to be pointed squarely at the post-war West German Intelligence service, populated and run by ex-Nazis, many of the ex-Gestapo. Recently declassified documents show that these guys let their mates get away and in many cases helped to hide them from their persecutors. I'm not suggesting that the Holocaust was "right" or that the perpetrators shouldn't be brought to justice. The reality is that the really evil bastards who thought it up and carried it out are dead. Long dead. Hunting down men in their 90s who were teenagers during WWII is not in any way securing justice for the victims of the Holocaust.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James Deuce View Post
    Hunting down men in their 90s who were teenagers during WWII is not in any way securing justice for the victims of the Holocaust.
    Amen. They've had a long time to live with it in any case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by avgas View Post
    Name one useful point that will be achieved prosecuting him?
    Slippery slope to where?

    Or are you one of those "If there is a case to answer - hell or high water it will be answered" types?
    If so start crossword puzzles - or at lease something you can finish in your lifetime.
    Please provide me with an exact definition of which cases should be prosecuted & which should not. Are you promoting selective justice, no one has come even remotely close to defining what constitutes a worthy prosecution & what does not.
    I have the greatest sympathy for the guy in Kaiapoi who dealt to the burglars, however if he gave those guys the bash & acted out side the law & a complaint is laid the cops have little choice but to lay charges, place evidence before the court & allow the courts to decide. Personally I hope to hell he gets off
    If some arsewipe killed your mum & did not get caught for 50 years would you be saying ' never mind lets have a group hug ' because that is in effect what you are promoting . It is a slippery slope you are starting down.

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    6 million of then can't be wrong .

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    One can't help noticing that for such a tiny % of the world population they always seem to lurk prominently in world conflict, discention and intrigue!

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    Many years ago, I lived down the road from a house with a double set of high fences and only a couple of small windows. Inside lived a woman who had survived the camps and had the tattoo on her wrist. She spent the remainder of her life remembering what had been done to her and her family and living in fear of another late night knock on the door. Anybody responsible that type of terror deserves to face justice no matter how long it takes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul in NZ View Post

    I mean I'm sure he was brutal but he was in a brutal situation....

    Its time to get over this...
    Least we forget, Paul.

    Not revenge, not punishment, not compensation, simply Justice. Its as simple as that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul in NZ View Post
    The seal team that took out Osama could well be accused of murder
    as long as he wasn't brandishing a weapon... yes

    but we'll never know will we
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winston001 View Post
    Least we forget, Paul.

    Not revenge, not punishment, not compensation, simply Justice. Its as simple as that.
    It's 'Lest' and it isn't justice to hunt down forced conscripts. Justice was served at Nuremberg. There have been very few of the surviving Holocaust organising cabal hunted down since then, apart from Adolf Eichmann.

    This stinks of an organisation rapidly running out of potential targets attempting to justify its continued existence.

    Given the logic displayed in this thread Jack Owen, the camp guard at Featherston who did most of the shooting should have been executed for war crimes.
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