Justice

[JakeTehMuss]

I know this is a dredge but fits in with the topic
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...ks-himself-out

[oneofsix]

I know this is a dredge but fits in with the topic
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...ks-himself-out

so that's how you do it in NZ. You don't do the citizens arrest thing and drive them to the police station, instead you knock them out then place them on some stairs which you nicely hosed down. Just be sure when arranging them that the body position aligns with the injury

[Virago]

That story didnt sit well with me either, IF the spin put on it by the media is to be believed. Out in buttholeville though, bet your ass there is another side to that story

Yep. Being charged with kidnapping for "taking them to the police station" is bullshit. I'm picking that they took them somewhere else first, to beat the shit out of them...

[Banditbandit]

Naaa .. the cops in Canterbury are just being impartial .. we need impartial cops. It's is not up to the cops to decide who has broken the law - that is the role of the courts ...

NZ law would have allowed the company owners to catch the crims, and hold them until the police arrived ...

Beating them so they needed hospital treatment is against the law ... you can only use "necessary force" to protect yourself, your family and your propertry. Beating the crims was more than necessary force ...

Secondly, as soon as they put the crims in their cars they were "Kidnapping" them - taking them somewhere against their will. They should have simply held them and waited for the police to arrive.

Now, the cops are being impartial and have charged the business owner and his mates ... It's up to the courts (probably a jury of 12 honest men) who will decide if the law has been broken ...

That's as it should be and I'm very pleased the cops are being impartial - it's what we need and want in our police ...

I just hope the jury of 12 members of the community make a good decision ...

[oneofsix]

Secondly, as soon as they put the crims in their cars they were "Kidnapping" them - taking them somewhere against their will. They should have simply held them and waited for the police to arrive.

That's the bit that is a little confusing. If there is no where suitable to hold them, open paddock or construction yard with the cops some time away, then you are saying it is still kidnapping to take them to the police station. Against their will is a bit irrelevant because arrest is against their will. Even with todays communication networks it is still possible to find yourself in a place where you can't call the cops so if you can't deliver them to the police station what are you meant to do?

[scissorhands]

Didnt that aspergers kid get a black eye from the Christchurch cops for stealing 2 lighbulbs and a light fitting from a building that was to be demolished? The 'face' of looting.



Whos dealing with that?

[imdying]

Naaa .. the cops in Canterbury are just being impartial .. we need impartial cops. It's is not up to the cops to decide who has broken the law - that is the role of the courts ...

Now, the cops are being impartial and have charged the business owner and his mates ... It's up to the courts (probably a jury of 12 honest men) who will decide if the law has been broken ...

That's as it should be and I'm very pleased the cops are being impartial - it's what we need and want in our police ...

Agreed. The average constable doesn't strike me as super smart, I'd much rather they restrict themselves to the jobs they're paid to do rather than rising above their station.

Didnt that aspergers kid get a black eye from the Christchurch cops for stealing 2 lighbulbs and a light fitting from a building that was to be demolished? The 'face' of looting.

Even retards aren't allowed to steal.

[jim.cox]

The average constable doesn't strike me as super smart

They dont want smart coppers

Bright & intelligent ones are weeded out during selection

Anyone capable of thinking for themselves is dangerous

There is a reason they are called 'Plod'

[imdying]

They dont want smart coppers

Bright & intelligent ones are weeded out during selection

Ahhh, I thought they just moved them up the ranks quickly when they spotted them... it's possible there are no smart police in the force full stop, but I find that hard to believe.

[scissorhands]

Smart enough to hold up a retard as the 'face of looting', beaten and held for hardly a theft, done by hardly a 'thief'. Smart enough to see a pattern of discrimination against intellectually disabled young men who face a myriad of problems in society? Exacerbated by unfairly being made an example?

yeah right real clever

[imdying]

Theft is theft... if he is that fucked up that he can't manage that, put him in a mental home

[slofox]

put him in a mental home

We don't have those any more - loony bins went out in the 70's...nowadays they are all in "community care"...whatever that is

[oneofsix]

We don't have those any more - loony bins went out in the 70's...nowadays they are all in "community care"...whatever that is

"community care" is a great concept. You give them a prescription and then let the police sort it out when the victim doesn't take their drugs.
The alternative is spend a fortune on nurse and health care workers to visit them and ensure the treatment is working but that costs more than the old institutions.

[Virago]

"community care" is a great concept. You give them a prescription and then let the police sort it out when the victim doesn't take their drugs.
The alternative is spend a fortune on nurse and health care workers to visit them and ensure the treatment is working but that costs more than the old institutions.

Probably cost less than "caring" provided in prisons - but I guess that's a different budget...

[oneofsix]

Probably cost less than "caring" provided in prisons - but I guess that's a different budget...

yeah, and it also helps with the 'tough on crime'. The polies can say look how many arrests have been made. Back fires a bit when they review the crime stats