$15 minimum wage?

**superman** · 23rd May 2011, 15:22

Labour are the biggest idiots in the world. You can see them after the "dumb" vote here, trying to gain votes from low skilled workers who would instantly benefit with a 15% increase in wages due in no part to their skill/hard work.

The thought of my own job increasing $2 per hour seems ridiculous, $13 seems very nice for all I have to do and it seems overkill to increase it by so much.
There goes even the thought of voting for them!

**Murray** · 23rd May 2011, 15:25

And what about the people who have worked hard to get $15, $16-$20 an hour - Nuthing!!!

**SMOKEU** · 23rd May 2011, 15:26

It's about time the minimum wage got increased because there are too many employers out there who are taking advantage of people by paying them too little.

**Ronin** · 23rd May 2011, 15:33

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

It's about time the minimum wage got increased because there are too many employers out there who are taking advantage of people by paying them too little.

Try owning your own business, then see if you agree with your own statement.

**superman** · 23rd May 2011, 15:33

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

It's about time the minimum wage got increased because there are too many employers out there who are taking advantage of people by paying them too little.

Look for another job, if you prove to your boss you are working above your wage they will boost your pay especially if you can absolutely prove you are of a much higher value compared to other minimum wage earners.

If a pay rise isn't affordable then why force it upon business owners, certain jobs are not worth minimum wage whatsoever. The minimum wage should in no way be sustainable, it should make people want to reach a higher level within their careers, make them want to continue education relevant to their career path etc, etc. If you cannot afford to live on what you earn you can always go to WINZ and ask for a food grant until you've managed to get yourself an increase. No reason to burden business owners rather than burden the low skilled workers.

Don't promote laziness!

**Maha** · 23rd May 2011, 15:34

I was paying two employees $15 per hour 14-15 years ago....decent enough money then/shit money now.. if you compare apples with apples.
Minimum wage will still be shit money @ $15ph.
Ok for a kid straight out of school and dropkicks who secure a real job which is where it is targeted I guess?

**Motig** · 23rd May 2011, 15:41

Look for another job, if you prove to your boss you are working above your wage they will boost your pay especially if you can absolutely prove you are of a much higher value compared to other minimum wage earners

Sometimes I'm sure the earth is a meeting point for several parallel universes cos the above certainly doesn't happen in the earth I live in.

**SPman** · 23rd May 2011, 15:50

Originally Posted by Motig

Originally Posted by sman

Look for another job, if you prove to your boss you are working above your wage they will boost your pay especially if you can absolutely prove you are of a much higher value compared to other minimum wage earners

Sometimes I'm sure the earth is a meeting point for several parallel universes cos the above certainly doesn't happen in the earth I live in.

How long has mr superman been around? in an ideal world, this would indeed be the case - sadly, it is notable by the exception, rather than the rule....most bosses wouldn't know how to organise a shit in a dunny, let alone recognise and reward workers who pull well above their weight.

**Crash 42** · 23rd May 2011, 15:56

Sure, for the sake of argument, should minimum wage go up, people will be able to buy more on minimum wage, but just wait until the prices rise as employers compensate for an increase in the cost of getting their products/services out there. The inflation just makes the rise null and void.

Minimum wage should never go up above inflation, it is stupid to do so because all it creates is excessive inflation the next year & a higher rate of unemployment due to businesses being unable to sustain production (and therefore staff) at such a high cost per unit sold.

People who have an issue with minimum wage are those who think it's there so that all who earn it can live a life of luxury, to think that is just retarded, I'm sorry. So long as minimum wage at full time hours can sustain a house, food and basic luxuries, then that is exactly what it should do.

If people want to raise minimum wage so they can live more comfortably, here is a suggestion, go do a course, go to night school, go to university, f**k even work to a promotion!? Because that is the only realistic way it will happen.

**White trash** · 23rd May 2011, 15:56

I'm in two minds. Being employed by a small business, I can see the pitfalls of having to suddenly fork out a huge extra for wages all of a sudden. That being said, I think alot of businesses are taking their workers for a ride in terms of pay rates without good reason.

National have been wanking on about shortening the pay gap with Australia for three years now but no plan in place to get there. This is.

**White trash** · 23rd May 2011, 16:00

Originally Posted by Crash 42

People who have an issue with minimum wage are those who think it's there so that all who earn it can live a life of luxury, to think that is just retarded, I'm sorry. So long as minimum wage at full time hours can sustain a house, food and basic luxuries, then that is exactly what it should do.

Are you on drugs?

Minimum wage equates to arround $500 p/week before tax. How would you expect a young fella with a new baby so missus has had to stop work, house, feed and cloth them for that?

**Crash 42** · 23rd May 2011, 16:04

Tax credits, not to mention the benefit that the missus will receive from the government, believe it or not, the government did think about that, its not going to be flash, comfortable lifestyle, but did it not cross the young fella's mind before he started a family?!

**Waxxa** · 23rd May 2011, 16:05

there are jobs in this world which are low paid and deservedly so!

by having a minimum wage (at any $ph) stops a huge amount of jobs that could be taken up by 'our' teenagers or pensioners for example.

People over the years have educated themselves into a position where they are earning more now, which in most cases has cost a fortune in that education and I would suspect after all this, would be on an hourly rate not much more that the minimum! If you dont like what you're doing, get the education and change!

most of us start out on a low paying job and work our way out of it! why should there be a mimimum? and where do you stop the minimum, its $13ph now, why not $15ph or $18ph...?

**schrodingers cat** · 23rd May 2011, 16:18

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

It's about time the minimum wage got increased because there are too many employers out there who are taking advantage of people by paying them too little.

In my experience, the bulk of minimum wage workers aren't even worth that.

They cost you a fortune in fuck ups and general poor performance.

Employers (on the whole) aren't bogie monsters.
They take 100% of the risk.
The employee gets paid to turn up and a slew of legislation protects them as they drag a business down.

**sinfull** · 23rd May 2011, 16:23

You really want me to get out of bed ? Then someone is gonna have to make it worthwhile ! Won't even blink for 15 an hour !
The OP saying 13 buck an hour is all good, makes me sick, the problem with this country is all the apathetic pricks who run around saying i'm ok !
FUCK MAN You get 2 buck an hour more and your family has 80 buck a week more to spend in our economy, sheesh how hard is it to work out the employer can make more from his product if there is more money around to grab ?