$15 minimum wage?

[DrunkenMistake]

Ok...math time?

If an MP gets $150,000.00 per year, divide by the number of hours the MP works for the money.

Define "work"?
Otherwise its 150,000.00 divided by a big fat Zero? For the majority of them.

On that note,
http://www.parliament.nz/NR/rdonlyre...ination200.pdf
the last page lists the allowances, why are they getting paid for again? haha they dont need money almost everything is supplied haha

[superman]

Are you on drugs?

Minimum wage equates to arround $500 p/week before tax. How would you expect a young fella with a new baby so missus has had to stop work, house, feed and cloth them for that?

Who the fuck told them to have a kid when they can't afford one?! Minimum wage should be there for those starting jobs, so decision number one is workers fault... have a baby. Decision number 2 to let the missus not work is an absolute idealism if you're on minimum wage, again their own decision. It should not be a government driven socialist scheme to have sustainable "family" income on minimum wage. A single person can afford to live on minimum wage, a family? Well you shouldn't have a bloody family till you can afford one!! It's that simple.

[DrunkenMistake]

Who the fuck told them to have a kid when they can't afford one?! Minimum wage should be there for those starting jobs, so decision number one is workers fault... have a baby. Decision number 2 to let the missus not work is an absolute idealism if you're on minimum wage, again their own decision. It should not be a government driven socialist scheme to have sustainable "family" income on minimum wage. A single person can afford to live on minimum wage, a family? Well you shouldn't have a bloody family till you can afford one!! It's that simple.

+1
A couple can live on 1000 a week so thats 2 people on Min, thats your rent, food power, fuel etc etc and saving.

When people are dumb enough to have a kid because its a 'good' idea at the time, then I have no sympathy, you have to think shit through before you do it especially when you involve a child.

[superman]

+1
A couple can live on 1000 a week so thats 2 people on Min, thats your rent, food power, fuel etc etc and saving.

When people are dumb enough to have a kid because its a 'good' idea at the time, then I have no sympathy, you have to think shit through before you do it especially when you involve a child.

Exactly, and even then our government like to handout shit to these people, there's working for families etc. Again the tax payer is burdened with idiots, why swap the burden onto businesses and drive up inflation. It's obviously a government issue if education is so bad people don't realise that having a kid when they can't afford to feed it/cloth it is a bad idea.

[Goblin]

I am of two minds, there are certainly jobs for which the current minimum wage applies, and I can think of some where that would be over the top, but I am also aware there are employers who are making a huge profit and paying as little as possible.

One that comes to mind is the rest home/retirement industry, some of those carers work long hours in sometimes thankless tasks dealing with dementia patients and all that entails, they are dam good at their jobs, show care and respect to their charges and are paid peanuts while the employers which are sometimes multinationals are raking profits in profits charging both the relatives and government for the care of these folks, in cases I understand they get paid the residents pension plus additional funding from the DHB, if the resident is lucky they see maybe $10-$20 week as spending money, the person who maybe looks after up to 20 residents gets minimum wage and threaten that if they want a pay rise the employer can plead hardship with the government and import foreign workers.

Very valid points here!

Another example is the comercial cleaning. The Peter Baker types who have their fingers in all sorts of pies, get the contracts worth squillions and pay minimum wage to the actual cleaners. Middle management scam the workers hours so they get even less than min wage. These are the kind of jobs that no one wants to do but need to be done. We need to pay these people what they're worth because without them we would be living in filth.

For every min wage earner who works hard and deserves more, there are a hundreds who will work for less.

[ellipsis]

...theres far too many over educated fools in the country...some are on the minimum wage..some run the show..

[Clockwork]

And what about the people who have worked hard to get $15, $16-$20 an hour - Nuthing!!!

You know..... that's about the only worthy argument I've ever seen against raising the minimum wage!

[oneofsix]

You know..... that's about the only worthy argument I've ever seen against raising the minimum wage!

the answer to that would be to legislate that all wage and salary earners get a $2 raise.

[JimO]

the answer to that would be to legislate that all wage and salary earners get a $2 raise.

that will cost jobs

[oneofsix]

that will cost jobs

oh shit panic panic. It might lower profits but not cost jobs. Novel idea, instead of high wages for CEO and takes for share holders put more money in the pockets of the workers who them spend it in NZ and the money goes around instead of increasing overseas debt. $5m to Telco and Banking CEOs who are foreigners to spent back in their own countries I could buy a lot of bikes for just one of their salaries, OK some of the purchase price goes back to the companies country but some stays in country at the bike shop, importer and GST etc.

[allycatz]

Would be nice in the caregiving industry. Minimum caregivers wage in OZ is $18.50 an hour compared to some at our work who have started on around $13.65. My hourly rate is $14.69 and increases by $2.50 an hour if I work Sat and Sun nights. I can work sometimes 12 out of 14 days, still doesn't add up to 40 hours a week. After paying Child support (absolutely no objections to this, except for ex who still lays carpet as well as collecting DPB) I can end up with around $575 for two weeks work......yeah sometimes I wonder why I get out of bed too!

[Murray]

Anyone who thinks this won't cost jobs needs to think again. Look at how much work has already gone overseas due to cheap labour off shore. The more we raise minimum wages the more companies will source offshore labour and products. NZ manufacturers are already struggling against imports and parallel imports!!

[oneofsix]

Anyone who thinks this won't cost jobs needs to think again. Look at how much work has already gone overseas due to cheap labour off shore. The more we raise minimum wages the more companies will source offshore labour and products. NZ manufacturers are already struggling against imports and parallel imports!!

umm by that logic the Aussie are unemployed and the yanks all and don't forget teh poms and just about every other friggering country in the OCED

[Murray]

umm by that logic the Aussie are unemployed and the yanks all and don't forget teh poms and just about every other friggering country in the OCED

Yes but the Aussies are mineral rich and have a vastly larger popualtion, the USA are also mineral and agricultural rich and have a vastly larger population. Don't know that the Poms have a minimum wage, when I was there in 84 there certainly wasnt, worked live in at a pub for a pound an hour

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

the answer to that would be to legislate that all wage and salary earners get a $2 raise.

or tackle the cost of living....