$15 minimum wage?

[oneofsix]

or tackle the cost of living....

It does in a relative way

[MisterD]

Don't know that the Poms have a minimum wage, when I was there in 84 there certainly wasnt, worked live in at a pub for a pound an hour

Yep, it came in in 1999 currently GBP6.08/hr...so that's less than NZ in real terms, never mind versus cost of living

[Banditbandit]

Labour are the biggest idiots in the world. You can see them after the "dumb" vote here, trying to gain votes from low skilled workers who would instantly benefit with a 15% increase in wages due in no part to their skill/hard work.

The thought of my own job increasing $2 per hour seems ridiculous, $13 seems very nice for all I have to do and it seems overkill to increase it by so much.
There goes even the thought of voting for them!

Equally - it vould be the smartest move in the world .. the point is not to get everyone voting for you - but just the majority ... there are many many more lower paid workers in NZ than rich people .... (one factory owner with many workers) If only the rich vote National and only the lower paid vote Labour we will have a Labour Government ...

and you must be one of the two people in tuis country who think $13 an hour is a reasonable wage ..

[superman]

and you must be one of the two people in tuis country who think $13 an hour is a reasonable wage ..

You think the lowest skilled jobs in our country deserve more? Though I guess slowly you see them disappearing, be it self scanning checkouts and what not.

[allycatz]

You think the lowest skilled jobs in our country deserve more? Though I guess slowly you see them disappearing, be it self scanning checkouts and what not.

Caregiving ISN"T a low skilled job.....love to see where we all going to be if THAT job dissapears when we reach old age

[ellipsis]

Yes but the Aussies are mineral rich and have a vastly larger popualtion, the USA are also mineral and agricultural rich and have a vastly larger population. Don't know that the Poms have a minimum wage, when I was there in 84 there certainly wasnt, worked live in at a pub for a pound an hour

...I thought we were mineral rich too..we only have to dig in places we aren't allowed to..we cant have our cake and eat it too, they say (they?)...wouldn't matter a fuck to the worker anyway...the profits would be sucked out of the country before they even hit the light of day...we are our own worst enemy...everyone gets polarised around the issue of the day and the rogues who are 'given' custody of our country run off and do what they like...mainly to our detriment and their short sighted political and personal gain...its been going on for a few thousand years already...will continue to do so...just history...up and down...round and round...vote another bunch in and it carries on...a sensible , benevolent dictator would be the ideal...no such thing...at some point in our history, sooner or later, we will not exist ...we have been sold to the highest bidders already...then it all starts again...no such thing as black and white on the planet..only grey and change...too much thinking and talking...not enough doing...I feel for the honest bloke/blokess that has to slave for an existence...but at the end of it all..when the shit hits, whether its a natural disaster or a global monetary collapse...the poor man will carry on carrying on, and be well versed in it...those who have it all will not have it all and they struggle...up and down...round and round...talk, talk...

[Banditbandit]

You think the lowest skilled jobs in our country deserve more? Though I guess slowly you see them disappearing, be it self scanning checkouts and what not.

Mate ... the economy works for us .. we don't work for the economy ... The reason why we are in the shit is that the owners and capitalist overlords have taken all their money and built pleasure palaces in places like Dubai ... the reason wht the world's economy is in the shit is, in the end, because the rich have sucked out all the money for their toys ...

They built these islands in the sea for Gawd's sake .. how much did that cost? And how much does it cost to live there? Just look at it ...




I'm not in favour as freebies for everyone - but at least some kind of wealth redistribution is a good idea (and not through taxes and handouts) - wealth redistibution through higher wages ...

[slofox]

Wouldn't worry me if the minimum wage increased - my only staff member just resigned so I am NO LONGER AN EMPLOYER! WOOHOO!

I can now go tell the PAYE dudes to fuck off outa my life. And the employer levies dudes. And the etc etc etc you get the idea - I no longer have the burden of compliance on me back..

[MisterD]

The reason why we are in the shit is that the owners and capitalist overlords have taken all their money and built pleasure palaces in places like Dubai

Oh bollocks. The reason we're in the shit is that to many kiwis have:

1) "Invested" in pumping up our property bubble rather than in anything productive.

2) Borrowed money from Japanese housewives to buy chinese-made televisions that they didn't need anyway.

[SPman]

People always scream that raising the minimum wage will cost thousands of jobs - every time! In fact, nothing of the sort happens - check all the statistics on unemployment going back......basic wage rises, employment - stays the same!
Poor business can't afford it?
an example -

Restauraunt Brands owns 208 KFC, Pizza Hut, and Starbucks stores, employing 4,500 workers, most of them minimum wage
For simplicity’s sake and to estimate on the high side, lets say they all do 40 hours a week and all would get the $2 an hour raise. That comes in at $1,900,000 a year. Since wages are tax deductible, the cost to Restauraunt Brands would be $1,300,000
Restaurant Brands made $25.1 million after tax profit in the year to March, up from $19.9 million the previous year. So, an extra $1,300,000 would reduce its profits by 5% while boosting its employees’ pay by 15% and having a dramatic impact on their families’ living standards.
We have a GDP of $200 billion per year, $50,000 for each man, woman, and child. An extra $500 million for the lowest paid workers who are often in the crappiest jobs is nothing. Except to the elitists who are hogging all the wealth for themselves and don’t want to share.

Pay shit - you get shit!

[Banditbandit]

Oh bollocks. The reason we're in the shit is that to many kiwis have:

1) "Invested" in pumping up our property bubble rather than in anything productive.

2) Borrowed money from Japanese housewives to buy chinese-made televisions that they didn't need anyway.

Mate have you bought into their bullshit spin or what ...

The capitalists want us to invest our money in their companies so they can get rich .. and we get the crumbs and be thankful for it ...

I might have a bit of money invested here and there - but I certainly don't drive round in Rolls and Bentleys and have a flash house in Paretai Drive - like the CEOs of the companies I've invested in ... Do they really need to earn a few million dollars a year in income to manage MY money? (My money pays their wages ...)

What sort of crap have you swallowed ????

We invest our hard earned mioney in their companies and they take the cream ... and I have a small amount more milk than I otherwise would ...

[steve_t]

I wonder if they could set a lower minimum wage for small businesses with either a low number of employees or a lower annual turnover/profit.
KFC might easily be able to afford an increase but the guy that owns a bike shop with his 2-5 employees might not.
Also, what happens if wages go up and all the companies like BP and the supermarkets go "Oh, we have to pay more in wages so all our prices are going up"? Suddenly the cost of living goes up. The only winner from this scenario is the tax man

[steve_t]

Mate have you bought into their bullshit spin or what ...

The capitalists want us to invest our money in their companies so they can get rich .. and we get the crumbs and be thankful for it ...

I might have a bit of money invested here and there - but I certainly don't drive round in Rolls and Bentleys and have a flash house in Paretai Drive - like the CEOs of the companies I've invested in ... Do they really need to earn a few million dollars a year in income to manage MY money? (My money pays their wages ...)

What sort of crap have you swallowed ????

We invest our hard earned mioney in their companies and they take the cream ... and I have a small amount more milk than I otherwise would ...

You could invest in your own company instead of someone elses...

[ellipsis]

I wonder if they could set a lower minimum wage for small businesses with either a low number of employees or a lower annual turnover/profit.
KFC might easily be able to afford an increase but the guy that owns a bike shop with his 2-5 employees might not.
Also, what happens if wages go up and all the companies like BP and the supermarkets go "Oh, we have to pay more in wages so all our prices are going up"? Suddenly the cost of living goes up. The only winner from this scenario is the tax man

...the only winner, ever, is the tax man...or those who make enough to afford to avoid the tax man...

[Banditbandit]

You could invest in your own company instead of someone elses...

1 Don't have that much
2 Can't think of anything I could actually do to earn money
3 Life's too short to put up with dickhead workers wanting a rise in the minimum wage ... (Oh .. Duh .. )

But seriously - I'd be crap at it .. and I can't be arsed .. I have a good job which I find satisfying ... and actually has a positive effect on other people's lives ... and I can walk away from it at the end of the day .. or weekend .. and go riding or fishing. Someone else looks after the paperwork crap and money ...