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"War is hell!"
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Errr.Originally Posted by oneofsix
Which Frigates off Argentina are you referring to exactly?
And yes, lots of lessons learnt during the Falklands conflict - from metallurgy through to using ships for a role they were not purposefully designed for.
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Not much if you're a civvy in the country or a combatant. I reckon those that want to start a war should be the one's to fight it. That should stop most of them cold!
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civ·il (svl)
adj.
1. Of, relating to, or befitting a citizen or citizens: civil duties.
2. Of or relating to citizens and their interrelations with one another or with the state: civil society; the civil branches of government.
3. Of ordinary citizens or ordinary community life as distinguished from the military or the ecclesiastical: civil authorities.
4. Of or in accordance with organized society; civilized.
5. Sufficiently observing or befitting accepted social usages; not rude: a civil reply. See Synonyms at polite.
6. Being in accordance with or denoting legally recognized divisions of time: a civil year.
7. Law Relating to the rights of private individuals and legal proceedings concerning these rights as distinguished from criminal, military, or international regulations or proceedings.
Number three is interesting.
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Actually the reason only a little over 100 men were saved is because the British believed they saw a U boat in the area, and abandoned the recue of the German sailors in the water, believing they could be torpedoed. The battering the Bismarck took, will never really reveal the number of lives lost to the actual 'shelling' before the order to abandon ship.
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I presume he is referring to the Type 22 and Type 42 ships.
The 22's were fitted with Sea Wolf (close-in missile system) and the 42's were fitted with Sea Dart (long range defence).
The Falklands war stumbled on the small fact that both systems were kind of handy... Sea Dart was no use when the attackers were at knife-fighting range and Sea Wolf had to watch the attackers approach until within firing range.
The in-the-field solution was to use two ships working together to form a decent layered defence and this was called a "Type 64"!
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One of the ships was lost when a pair didn't work properly together. The ship with the long range defence had just got a lock on an attacker, when the other ship got between them, and the lock was lost. Lessons learned.I presume he is referring to the Type 22 and Type 42 ships.
The 22's were fitted with Sea Wolf (close-in missile system) and the 42's were fitted with Sea Dart (long range defence).
The Falklands war stumbled on the small fact that both systems were kind of handy... Sea Dart was no use when the attackers were at knife-fighting range and Sea Wolf had to watch the attackers approach until within firing range.
The in-the-field solution was to use two ships working together to form a decent layered defence and this was called a "Type 64"!
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And the Brits had their burn traumas severely increased by equipping their sailors with synthetic material uniforms - which promptly melted and stuck to the skin......
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Ahhh. The Type 42's arent Frigates. The type 22's were predominantly an ASW/GP frigate - which were not designed for the AA role they were tasked with in the Falklands.
Sheffield was lost as it was too close to land for its medium/long range AA to lock on. Its buddy, a frigate that was supposed to cover the close range threats had a few malfunctions. From memory.
The poor poms learnt some lessons the hard way in that war - the first that really tested modern missile systems on a large scale.
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Sheffield (among a long list) was lost because of a fuckwit called Sandy Woodward who pretended to be an admiral.
The destroyer was sent inshore on multiple occasions to do exactly the same thing as they did on previous nights (we all know that in a war you never do the same thing twice!) when "surprise-surprise" an Exocet gets fired at her from an Argie aircraft (Étendard).
Most british losses during that war came from the absolute stupidity of the Flag Officers of the RN.
The Army were bloody glad to get ashore!
By the way, does anyone want to buy the HMS Ark Royal??
http://www.edisposals.com/is-bin/INT...mpTo=OfferList
Also: An artist's impression of an Invincible class carrier in dock alongside the (under construction) new UK "Queen Elizabeth" class carriers they are building.
Edit: They just started cutting steel, for the second carrier, in the last few days.
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Isn't the Invincible officially a "Through-deck Cruiser"?
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That's what they had to call it to sneak it through government approval back in the '70's.
BTW. Invincible has already been sold to Turkish scrap merchants.
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