Cow shit!

[Howie]

I wonder if this part of the act could be used to penalise those trucking companys that don't follow the guide lines.

Land Transport Act 1998 No 110 (as at 01 May 2011), Public Act

36A Contravention of section 22A


(1) A person commits an offence if the person—

(a) operates a motor vehicle in a race, or in an unnecessary exhibition of speed or acceleration, on a road in contravention of section 22A(1); or


(b) without reasonable excuse, intentionally pours onto, places on, or allows to spill onto a road—

(i) any petrol, oil, or diesel fuel; or


(ii) any other substance likely to cause a vehicle to undergo loss of traction; or



(c) without reasonable excuse, operates a motor vehicle on a road in a manner that causes the vehicle to undergo sustained loss of traction in contravention of section 22A(3).



(2) A person commits an indictable offence if the person commits an offence against subsection (1)(a) or (c), and by that act or omission causes an injury to or the death of another person.


(3) A person who commits an offence against subsection (1)(a) or (c) that is an indictable offence is liable to the penalties set out in section 36(2), and section 36(2) and (3) apply as if the offence were an offence against section 36(1)(a) (such as operating a motor vehicle recklessly on a road, and by that act or omission causing an injury to or the death of another person).


(4) A person who commits an offence against subsection (1)(a) or (c) that is not an indictable offence is liable to the penalties set out in section 35(2), and section 35(2) and (3) apply as if the offence were an offence against section 35(1)(a) (operating a motor vehicle recklessly on a road).


(5) A person who commits an offence against subsection (1)(b) is liable to a fine not exceeding $3,000.

Section 36A: inserted, on 2 May 2003, by section 6 of the Land Transport (Unauthorised Street and Drag Racing) Amendment Act 2003 (2003 No 11)."

or can it only be applied during illegal street racing???

[MrKiwi]

good question, any legal beagles care to answer?

[Ender EnZed]

It's not intentional.

Also, cows shit. Get the fuck over it and ride accordingly.

[Howie]

It's not intentional.

Also, cows shit. Get the fuck over it and ride accordingly.

By not controling it, when there is technology avaliable to do so it is intentional.

Fortunately the behaviour of "that’s the way it's been done for decades" has changed in a lot of industries, leading to improvements in health and safety for both those in the industry, and those affected by it. Unfortunately a minority in the livestock/transport industry don't seem to be able to move into modern times where slack practices need to be changed.

[Ender EnZed]

By not controling it, when there is technology avaliable to do so it is intentional.

It's not as obviously intentional as pouring diesel on the road then doing a burnout. I doubt trucking companies are going to be made to change by existing boy racer legislation.

[Maha]

It's not intentional.

Also, cows shit. Get the fuck over it and ride accordingly.

At times it is, its not always caused by gravity.
Thats why there are stock effluent dump stations around...so the driver can dump the shit slop ...'intentionally'.
But, time is money and why stop when you can slip it out the back...when no one is looking.

[Mom]

It's not intentional.

Also, cows shit. Get the fuck over it and ride accordingly.

Ah, here speaketh a man that has never eaten shit.

Ride accordingly he says...

Fair enough. Answer me these then, all I have personally experienced.

On a wet road with a stream of shit in one tyre track, how should I avoid eating the shit that flicks up of the vehicle in front of me's rear tyres? How do I avoid getting my visor covered with a green film that wont wipe off?

How do I avoid a slick of wet shit in the dark when I cant actually see the thing in the first place, I can smell it, but dark green shit looks the same as dark tarmac in the DARK!

Following a truck obviously spewing shit out the back, how should I ride to avoid the hazard? Rural roads, no overtaling possiblities?

Riding a rural road, how should I avoid the sudden loss of surface integrity due to the corrosive effects of shit? What is more, why should I have to PAY to repair this damage.

I could go on...

[Ender EnZed]

On a wet road with a stream of shit in one tyre track, how should I avoid eating the shit that flicks up of the vehicle in front of me's rear tyres? How do I avoid getting my visor covered with a green film that wont wipe off?

Increase your following distance.

How do I avoid a slick of wet shit in the dark when I cant actually see the thing in the first place, I can smell it, but dark green shit looks the same as dark tarmac in the DARK!

Maybe see an optometrist. Do you wear glasses? I do. Without them I can't read the N at the top of the chart. With them on I've never ridden over anything I didn't see first.

Following a truck obviously spewing shit out the back, how should I ride to avoid the hazard? Rural roads, no overtaling possiblities?

Increase your following distance.

Riding a rural road, how should I avoid the sudden loss of surface integrity due to the corrosive effects of shit?

Rural road? Surface integrity?

Clearly you've coped with this problem in the past, do more of whatever worked last time.

What is more, why should I have to PAY to repair this damage.

I don't really have a response to this but then your argument isn't primarily an economic one is it? As it happens, I'm fine with people taking less of my money.

[Ender EnZed]

At times it is, its not always caused by gravity.
Thats why there are stock effluent dump stations around...so the driver can dump the shit slop ...'intentionally'.
But, time is money and why stop when you can slip it out the back...when no one is looking.

Maybe I should've made my seperate points a bit clearer. The "intentional" part was just a response to the bit of boy racer legislation.

I'm not defending truck drivers here.

[MrKiwi]

Maybe I should've made my seperate points a bit clearer. The "intentional" part was just a response to the bit of boy racer legislation.

I'm not defending truck drivers here.

The whole point is that the actions of the farmers and the truckies through carelessness are causing problems for other road users, dangerous problems. It's called an externality - ie shift my problem onto someone else rather than dealing with it yourself. The farmers and the trucking firms have adequate means to control the problem, stand the stock for a few hours before moving them etc. Instead they prefer to create problems for others. Increasing your distance isn't going to help when you have greasy shit all over the road. There is no excuse for it.

[Maha]

The whole point is that the actions of the farmers and the truckies through carelessness are causing problems for other road users, dangerous problems. It's called an externality - ie shift my problem onto someone else rather than dealing with it yourself. The farmers and the trucking firms have adequate means to control the problem, stand the stock for a few hours before moving them etc. Instead they prefer to create problems for others. Increasing your distance isn't going to help when you have greasy shit all over the road. There is no excuse for it.

...and here is the voice (or in this case, words) of reason.
In a few short sentences, the problem/cause and remedy have been explained.
Great post MrKiwi.

[Ender EnZed]

shift my problem onto someone else rather than dealing with it yourself.

I'm just going to make this bigger.

The farmers and the trucking firms have adequate means to control the problem

So do we. Or at least I do, maybe I'm just a riding God?

Increasing your distance isn't going to help when you have greasy shit all over the road.

It'll stop the shit being thrown onto you, which seemed to be the problem. As for what's left on the road; yes, it reduces the available traction. So does water. Should we put time and effort into making it rain less?

[Maha]

maybe I'm just a riding God?

It'll stop the shit being thrown onto you, which seemed to be the problem. As for what's left on the road; yes, it reduces the available traction. So does water. Should we put time and effort into making it rain less?

Surely you are not suggesting that a motorbike has the same level of traction with stock effluent on the road as it would with rain on the road?...Mr riding God?
I know someone with one leg permanantly shorter than the other that would dissagree with that theory.

[avgas]

Poo poos in the mouth taste bad.

Not a good idea to have mouth open when poo poos is flying.

Whata shit fight.

[jaffaonajappa]

hehehehe. I think we have a Farmer in our midst.

I like farmers. But they can be quite one-eyed at times.
Being one-eyed has perks tho.....open the other one once the first one get spattered with cow poos...but remain one-eyed.