New Moto3 Honda

**richban** · 9th June 2011, 18:07

Originally Posted by Brian d'marge

assuming this is still about moto3 , the engine in the honda isnt exactly state of the art ..
twin cam , chain driven...... what did they do , mod a existing casting and skim the head....

Stephen

They are quite restricted on how these engines are built. I think 190hp per liter is rather good for the of the shelf model single 4 banger. Will be interesting to see what KTM and the others come in with. Thats like having an 85hp CRF450. I think its respectable.

**Brian d marge** · 9th June 2011, 18:28

Originally Posted by richban

They are quite restricted on how these engines are built. I think 190hp per liter is rather good for the of the shelf model single 4 banger. Will be interesting to see what KTM and the others come in with. Thats like having an 85hp CRF450. I think its respectable.

These are Honda figures you are quoting , Who do you think supplies me with my crack cocaine ??

Im quite looking forward to Next year, what with all the changes

Stephen

**puddytat** · 9th June 2011, 19:08

Originally Posted by richban

Thats like having an 85hp CRF450. I think its respectable.

Wouldve been a way better motor for it....

**crazy man** · 9th June 2011, 19:24

Originally Posted by puddytat

Wouldve been a way better motor for it....

why is that? l would say the 250 will go very well

**puddytat** · 9th June 2011, 19:31

Originally Posted by crazy man

why is that? l would say the 250 will go very well

Just more grunt & cooler sounding really....the one at Catalunya sonded like an FXR

**richban** · 10th June 2011, 07:52

Originally Posted by puddytat

Just more grunt & cooler sounding really....the one at Catalunya sonded like an FXR

Maybe the KTM will run a mega. I am sure at 14k it should sound like race bike. I think the decibel limit is 120. Don't quote me on that.

One of the best sound to come out of a race bike.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch_Mwsg17HI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JTDVPFKwlc

**kel** · 10th June 2011, 09:04

Originally Posted by richban

One of the best sound to come out of a race bike.

I think you are mistaken - That true honour belongs to the Honda RC166 (6 cylinder 4 stroke 250cc, as close as a 4 stroke can get to a real GP bike)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QUjl...eature=related

**richban** · 10th June 2011, 12:04

Originally Posted by kel

I think you are mistaken - That true honour belongs to the Honda RC166 (6 cylinder 4 stroke 250cc, as close as a 4 stroke can get to a real GP bike)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QUjl...eature=related

True that. As an x laverda triple owner from way back I like the sound of the triple but you are not wrong that did sound very nice.

Now how do I make a 3 cylinder 150 4 stroke bucket?

**Ivan** · 10th June 2011, 12:17

Lets see what other brands make,

KTM seem to be doing well at building smaller engines than there japanese competitors but being more than fast enough take the Yamaha YZF450 and a bike that will give it a good run is a KTM 350 100cc less I reckon KTM are gonna be onto something here.

Dont count Yamaha out either they are known in the MotoX world as the bike of choice,

Honda are pretty good to

Its gonna be good to see

**jasonu** · 10th June 2011, 12:35

Originally Posted by Ivan

Lets see what other brands make,

KTM seem to be doing well at building smaller engines than there japanese competitors but being more than fast enough take the Yamaha YZF450 and a bike that will give it a good run is a KTM 350 100cc less I reckon KTM are gonna be onto something here.

Dont count Yamaha out either they are known in the MotoX world as the bike of choice,

Honda are pretty good to

Its gonna be good to see

If you watched the just finished AMA Supercross season you would know that the KTM 350SX didn't have a shit show against the better half of the 450's. That was with Mike Allessi and Andrew Short punting them and they are both very fast riders.

**richban** · 10th June 2011, 13:45

Not surprising at AMA level. They won't make that mistake with a GP engine you would hope.

The thing that will be good to study will be the exhaust tech that comes through. The bad sounding honda looks like they are trying to capture another resonance wave with the tail pipe extension. Maybe I should ducktape the kitchen sink U bend to my megaphone for the next meeting.

**jasonu** · 10th June 2011, 13:52

Originally Posted by richban

Not surprising at AMA level. They won't make that mistake with a GP engine you would hope.

The thing that will be good to study will be the exhaust tech that comes through. The bad sounding honda looks like they are trying to capture another resonance wave with the tail pipe extension. Maybe I should ducktape the kitchen sink U bend to my megaphone for the next meeting.

Make sure you remember to disconnect the kitchen sink first...

**Brian d marge** · 10th June 2011, 14:00

KTM are hooking up withKALEX , the moto2 chassis maker that has been doing quite well
At this point , KTM looks good ...

Stephen

**gatch** · 10th June 2011, 22:48

Originally Posted by richban

True that. As an x laverda triple owner from way back I like the sound of the triple but you are not wrong that did sound very nice.

Now how do I make a 3 cylinder 150 4 stroke bucket?

Sleeve down a CBR250RRRRRRRRR and remove a cylinder. I've thought about this idea.

A lot.