All charges dropped

**MSTRS:Me** · 16th June 2011, 17:30

Originally Posted by rastuscat

See, overnight things could improve, if everyone looked into a mirror and realised that they are the one person with the absolute most ability to improve their own safety. Take personal responsibility, drive to the actual environment, the one that actually exists.

Now, THERE'S a wish list.

What? You mean...think for themselves, and obey the rules? Come on - you're on a hiding to nothing there.
Utopia would be removing all those who can't drive, don't know/follow the rules (and yes, that includes cops...) - hell, the roads would be all but empty, and I could enjoy them, knowing that the only other road users would be brilliant drivers too, as well as not worrying about the rules. Because there'd be so few motorists, that the rules could all be rescinded.
And you lot could get on with the real shit. Like catching burglars and babykillers...

**Jack Miller** · 16th June 2011, 17:39

Originally Posted by rastuscat

Cool that you didn't break the law. ...
Keep not breaking the law, thanks. Best way to avoid tickets.

Except I did get a ticket! That is the whole point

**Scuba_Steve** · 16th June 2011, 17:42

but keeping with the theme just heard this from a California chick being interviewed on YouTube clip

Interviewer: "Well what makes you a medium-good driver"
Chick: "I'm not very good at braking"
Interviewer: "Your not good at braking?"
Chick: "No"
Interviewer: "See I think that's a crucial part to driving tho"
Chick: "I don't really think so"
Interviewer: "You don't think so?"
Chick: "No"

Wow! won't it be fun when our drivers retard themselves to that level in a few years

**Jack Miller** · 16th June 2011, 17:51

Originally Posted by rastuscat

...you want all the good ideas implemented, and to be able to drive as if they have been

No I don't I just want the enforcers to enforce the existing law including the existing balance that is written into it. Unless the research I am about to undertake disproves it, my hypothesis is that enforcement has become primarily about the speed limit. Just as to a hammer every problem looks like a nail, to today's enforcer (yourself excluded) every road situation looks like a speed problem. This is mightily flawed. It pisses everyone off and it makes the roads MORE DANGEROUS.

Implementation would cost more than the recent earthquakes.

Funny that the examples I gave cost nothing. And you go on to identify some more freebies:

Notably, if everyone wore seatbelts tomorrow and from then on, it would do a lot of good but cost nothing. If everyone didn't use cellphones while driving, it would save a life occasionally at bugger all cost.

As the fleet becomes newer more cars will have seatbelt-not-on warning lights which will have a big impact on your first point with ZERO input from the Police.

**rastuscat** · 16th June 2011, 18:26

Originally Posted by Jack Miller

Unless the research I am about to undertake disproves it, my hypothesis is that enforcement has become primarily about the speed limit.

FYI, your hypothesis is incorrect. The reality is that our enforcement is based on what we call the Fatal 5, of which speed is only one factor. Alcohol/drug driving, dangerous/careless driving, restraints, high risk drivers.

Save yourself some time and effort, speed isn't the major thing we do. If you're going to get Da Boss to get the stats out, don't include camera tickets. At least, get the stats with and without the camera tickets, that'll give you a better picture of what the road-going Popo is doing. Ask for the ratio of speed offences (excluding camera tickets) to all other offences.

Funny though, as the residents of the eastern suburbs here in Shakeyville want us to spend all our time enforcing the 30 km/h speed limit in their street.

Good luck proving I'm wrong.

It does start to get a little personal when you get hard done by in a circumstance then mount a campaign against what I do and actually believe in. Whether I should be some damn sensitive is another issue.

**Jantar** · 16th June 2011, 20:28

Originally Posted by FJRider

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Like it or not ... the 4 km/hr "tolerance" has been accepted ... ...

It has NOT been accepted, it has been imposed. There is a big difference.

**Spearfish** · 16th June 2011, 20:43

Originally Posted by Jantar

It has NOT been accepted, it has been imposed. There is a big difference.

I know what your saying but 4-5k has been proven to work by those who imposed it and are now talking up the 0 tolerance for an even better result. (lordy lordy here we go)
I don't think its as much to do with speed (fark all really) but the fact people are actually thinking about their driving and even more remarkably doing the thinking while doing the driving!
Nothing pulls out the guilty conscience from its dusty box like the fear of getting caught.

**Scuba_Steve** · 16th June 2011, 21:01

Originally Posted by Spearfish

I don't think its as much to do with speed (fark all really) but the fact people are actually thinking about their driving and even more remarkably doing the thinking while doing the driving!

oh please tell me your new to the road??? We have worse drivers now than we have ever had during my time on the road & it's just getting worse.

**FJRider** · 16th June 2011, 21:05

Originally Posted by Jantar

It has NOT been accepted, it has been imposed. There is a big difference.

You KNOW its coming back ... like it or not ... imposed or not ... you have to accept that ...

The zero tolerance is next ...

**Spearfish** · 16th June 2011, 22:32

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

oh please tell me your new to the road??? We have worse drivers now than we have ever had during my time on the road & it's just getting worse.

Thats kinda what I said but with plenty of room left for interpretation unfortunatly.

Another swing and a miss on my part

**MSTRS:Me** · 17th June 2011, 08:52

Originally Posted by Spearfish

I know what your saying but 4-5k has been proven to work by those who imposed it and are now talking up the 0 tolerance for an even better result. (lordy lordy here we go)
I don't think its as much to do with speed (fark all really) but the fact people are actually thinking about their driving and even more remarkably doing the thinking while doing the driving!
Nothing pulls out the guilty conscience from its dusty box like the fear of getting caught.

You should have added "Until the 4kph (or 0kph) tolerance becomes the new norm..."
We're all creatures of habit, and we'll simply adjust that habit when forced to.

**oneofsix** · 17th June 2011, 09:00

Originally Posted by Spearfish

I know what your saying but 4-5k has been proven to work by those who imposed it and are now talking up the 0 tolerance for an even better result. (lordy lordy here we go)
I don't think its as much to do with speed (fark all really) but the fact people are actually thinking about their driving and even more remarkably doing the thinking while doing the driving!
Nothing pulls out the guilty conscience from its dusty box like the fear of getting caught.

so not the lowered tolerance but the extra policing? IF only the policing was policing of bad driving and not just speed cameras

**scumdog** · 17th June 2011, 09:01

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

oh please tell me your new to the road??? We have worse drivers now than we have ever had during my time on the road & it's just getting worse.

I don't think they're worse - it's just there's a shit-load more of 'em we have to share the roads with.

**Scuba_Steve** · 17th June 2011, 09:08

Originally Posted by scumdog

I don't think they're worse - it's just there's a shit-load more of 'em we have to share the roads with.

I think your right too the concentration of morons is growing, but I swear the level of moron is getting worse too, we are constantly sinking to new lows of retard. It won't be long before they're all like the Cali chick I pointed out above I think

**scumdog** · 17th June 2011, 09:16

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

I think your right too the concentration of morons is growing, but I swear the level of moron is getting worse too, we are constantly sinking to new lows of retard. It won't be long before they're all like the Cali chick I pointed out above I think

I've already met a person that thought the distance to stop from 50kph would "be about a metre, maybe two?"

And no, we're not talking about "if you hit a brick wall" here in case some smarty-pants wants to make that comment.