Climate change or global warming and who did it?

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

I already suspected we may see a repeat of a Dalton minimum, but a Maunder? I must get in plenty of firewood.

I better make sure we have enough wood and coal as well... hmmmmm I blame global warming that I may need more firewood than normal

[oneofsix]

I better make sure we have enough wood and coal as well... hmmmmm I blame global warming that I may need more firewood than normal

So it is back to the ice age theory again? Oh that's right there was the theory that we would already be in an ice age if it hadn't been for the industrial revolution

[shrub]

Might be time to invest in thermal underwear shares as the suns output is projected to be heading towards a new Maunder minimum...

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/06/1...ty/#more-41648

Thank fuck for all that extra CO2

You denialists would be buggered without wattsupwiththat. He really is your beacon of hope - pity his theories have no basis.

And yes, solar activity is dropping, so why is GMT rising? Let me guess, Al Gore and those evil Greenies have somehow managed to make it warmer using tingle rays from outer space, or worse still they are using their immense powers to hypnotise almost every climate scientist and all the tens of thousands of people who record temperature data so they think that dropping temperatures are actually rising temperatures.

Maybe they should wear lead helmets?

[Ocean1]

why is GMT rising?

Greenwich mean time is rising? We're doomed, doomed I tell you.


Oh, TEMPERATURE. Get up to date man, they didn't change it from global warming to global climate change just for the extra marketing punch of the longer acronym.

[shrub]

Greenwich mean time is rising? We're doomed, doomed I tell you.


Oh, TEMPERATURE. Get up to date man, they didn't change it from global warming to global climate change just for the extra marketing punch of the longer acronym.

the nature of climate change gives the deniers great hope - "hey, Europe just had the coldest winter in a brazillian years, so global warming can't be happening, them greenies must be wrong and I'm much smarter than the scientists".

Pity the rising global mean temperature means climate becomes more volatile in all directions, not just a nice, neat and easy to understand universal rise in temperature. They could get that without the help of blogs to tell them stories they like and can understand, but it's far too complicated to understand without help.

[Scuba_Steve]

Right well here's my promise to Shrub & the climagate.

If the world ends in 2012 I will believe you & your climagates propaganda, if it doesn't I'll continue believing the truth. 2012 will decide!!!

[oneofsix]

Greenwich mean time is rising? We're doomed, doomed I tell you.


Oh, TEMPERATURE. Get up to date man, they didn't change it from global warming to global climate change just for the extra marketing punch of the longer acronym.

You are so right. They changed it when the neigh-sayers scored by pointing out that some places and winters were getting colder, talking global warming whilst people were freezing their butts of was an epic fail.

[oneofsix]

You denialists would be buggered without wattsupwiththat. He really is your beacon of hope - pity his theories have no basis.

And yes, solar activity is dropping, so why is GMT rising? Let me guess, Al Gore and those evil Greenies have somehow managed to make it warmer using tingle rays from outer space, or worse still they are using their immense powers to hypnotise almost every climate scientist and all the tens of thousands of people who record temperature data so they think that dropping temperatures are actually rising temperatures.

Maybe they should wear lead helmets?

Wouldn't be some sort of temperature inertia? For the same amount of sun it is much warmer in the evening than the morning. The same air temperature feels warmer in summer than winter because of the effect of ground temperature. Nah sorry forgot in the simplest world we live in as soon as you turn the heat off the temperature must drop instantly so it must be dem carbons keeping us warm.

[shrub]

Right well here's my promise to Shrub & the climagate.

If the world ends in 2012 I will believe you & your climagates propaganda, if it doesn't I'll continue believing the truth. 2012 will decide!!!

I doubt the world will end in 2012, 2013 or even 2112 so you will continue to believe what you earnestly believe to be true, but I've got one simple question for you: Given the climate is changing and global mean temperature has steadily increased without any identifiable external cause (measurable and commonly observed) and that human activity has released billions of tonnes of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere (again, measurable and hardly something that can be argued againts), and that the concentration of greenhouse gases in an atmosphere influences the ability of thermal radiation to pass through said atmosphere (measurable and universally agreed on), how do you explain the climate change we are experiencing?

is your "truth" based on scientific and testable theories, or is it simply based on something you fervently believe in?

[Jantar]

You denialists would be buggered without wattsupwiththat. He really is your beacon of hope - pity his theories have no basis....

It must be scary to be so afraid a man who runs a web site where anyone can post that you would automatically assign all theories to the web site owner, irrespective of where they were published, who published them, or where they are announced. Wattsupwiththat is simply one website where this was announced. I have already posted a link to the source. The American Astronomical Society meeting (we call it a conference) has announced 3 independant lines of peer reviewed research into this, it is not an Anthony Watts theory.

[shrub]

It must be scary to be so afraid a man who runs a web site where anyone can post that you would automatically assign all theories to the web site owner, irrespective of where they were published, who published them, or where they are announced. Wattsupwiththat is simply one website where this was announced. I have already posted a link to the source. The American Astronomical Society meeting (we call it a conference) has announced 3 independant lines of peer reviewed research into this, it is not an Anthony Watts theory.

Afraid? No, amused, and Anthony Watts will only publish material that supports his arguments. A few months ago I challenged something he put up (very courteousy) and my chalenge was never published, yet a myriad of people agreeing were posted.

[george formby]

Yup, here it is.

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/sh...unt-on-it.html

[Jantar]

Yup, here it is.

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/sh...unt-on-it.html

An honest article that doesn't play the hype. It doesn't try to scare the population with tales of frozen landscapes, nor does it over emphisise and potential warming. It does rely on the IPCC claims for temperature rise, but so far we finding that even the lower limit of the IPCC range is too high. However the article does make a valid point that one may offset the other. The next decade should give a clearer picture.

[Jantar]

Try this report for those who don't want to read the scientific papers. http://www.kusi.com/video?clipId=5960003&autostart=true

[Scuba_Steve]

I doubt the world will end in 2012, 2013 or even 2112 so you will continue to believe what you earnestly believe to be true, but I've got one simple question for you: Given the climate is changing and global mean temperature has steadily increased without any identifiable external cause (measurable and commonly observed) and that human activity has released billions of tonnes of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere (again, measurable and hardly something that can be argued againts), and that the concentration of greenhouse gases in an atmosphere influences the ability of thermal radiation to pass through said atmosphere (measurable and universally agreed on), how do you explain the climate change we are experiencing?

is your "truth" based on scientific and testable theories, or is it simply based on something you fervently believe in?

my "truth" is based on real scientist's not the theorist's you believe in, and I'll give you a couple of possibilities that could increase temps (not saying they do or don't just putting them out there as better alternatives to the propaganda you believe in)
1. Ever heard of the sun??? It's the most powerful heating device we have here on earth & it is more active than it has ever been under our recordings incl the solar flare you may have seen in the news recently.
2. Electromagnetic radiation. Your cellphone, your TV, your radio, your WiFi, your computer, your microwave. All helping to heat the earth just like the sun does (makes alot more sense than your cows farting don't it!!!)