North Auckland Street Skills - NASS

[MarkH]

hey guys and girls

Low sided my new bike today... haha recorded it too!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CwVBjYLtPA

check it out, tell me what you think

It really didn't look very fast when the bike went out from under you - I'd have to guess a little oil or diesel + water = treacherously slippery road. Did I hear the revs start to pick up just before the loss of traction? It is scary how little torque it takes to break traction after a wee shower brings the oil to the surface on urban roads.

[OutForADuck]

hey guys and girls

Low sided my new bike today... haha recorded it too!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CwVBjYLtPA

check it out, tell me what you think

Hey dude g,ad to see both you and bike came out relatively unscathed.

What caused it, you probably know better than us but you didn't seem to be going so quickly,although you said knee down so maybe a little too much lean on? For the conditions and if it had just started raining, that is the time to reassess and feel what you got for traction, keep th bike a little more up right in particular.

As Mark points out new rain floats the oil and roundabouts are great spots like any slowest piece of road for catching it.

Dirt riders talk about riding the frontor back, in the rain you should always try to ride the front. Catch me next time your out and I'll explain that if it doesn't make sense.

[Westy_mate]

Westy , 35Kph around a wet traffic island. All traffic islands are off-camber corners, this is for drainage (cheeper to have all the drains on the out side) I have been riding more years than i care to think about and they shit me off. Top marks for the crash bungs , minimal damage to you and your steed. Off camber corners are the bane of all bikers, and in the wet they are arse=holes. As Toto said "a learning experance" All the time we (mentors) keep telling you to keep your head up to maintain your horizion, makes spotting that really slick patch hard. I don't know if the camera is set at where you were looking but it seems to me that you didn't scan the corner very far in front of the bike. Turn your head more in corners, this gives you a better idea what is comming. 35kph was a bit quick for the conditions I don't think you will be making that error again. There are bold riders and there are old riders BUT there are very few old & bold riders. Ride safe Regards Richard

Hey mate,

Cheers for that, no i dont think i did, im still very new to taking corners at such a lean and off my seat. i dont know what happened, if you watch the video i dont lose traction or gain/lose any RPM's. it just tips over, possibly due to a slick patch in the road or me losing balance, one of the two.

Gotta love those Crash bungs! and the contour

[Westy_mate]

It really didn't look very fast when the bike went out from under you - I'd have to guess a little oil or diesel + water = treacherously slippery road. Did I hear the revs start to pick up just before the loss of traction? It is scary how little torque it takes to break traction after a wee shower brings the oil to the surface on urban roads.

I cant recall my back wheel losing traction, hmmm ive been thinking about it too much

[p.dath]

Bad luck about the low side. Great news that there was almost no damage.

Do you have a video without the audio soundtrack? I was trying to listen to what you where doing with the throttle and what sound the tyres were making, but it is too hard to make out.

Just the normal tips:

• Don't use the front brake (rear brake if you have mucked up the entry and have to do something)
• Keep constant throttle on (and especially don't close the throttle)
• Be in a low gear so you can still have gentle pwer on the wheels.
• Keep looking where you want to go.

Moving weight between the tyres (by braking, changing throttle), which changes the tyre grip is a common cause of loosing traction.

Pretty much everyone has a moment like that, so don't worry about it too much.

[Westy_mate]

Bad luck about the low side. Great news that there was almost no damage.

Do you have a video without the audio soundtrack? I was trying to listen to what you where doing with the throttle and what sound the tyres were making, but it is too hard to make out.

Just the normal tips:

• Don't use the front brake (rear brake if you have mucked up the entry and have to do something)
• Keep constant throttle on (and especially don't close the throttle)
• Be in a low gear so you can still have gentle pwer on the wheels.
• Keep looking where you want to go.

Moving weight between the tyres (by braking, changing throttle), which changes the tyre grip is a common cause of loosing traction.

Pretty much everyone has a moment like that, so don't worry about it too much.

I do have just the video, i can chuck it up on youtube?

* I always use my rear brake when cornering, never my front
* My throttle was pretty constant, no bunny hops or any sudden changes
* i was in second i think, could have done in third
* i have a bad habit of only looking a few Meters ahead of me

There wasn't any tyre noise or anything, just... fell over. think i hit a oil patch, its like someone just kicked my bike to the left.

im going over the video constantly to find where i went wrong, I think it was a combination of many things

[TOTO]

I do have just the video, i can chuck it up on youtube?

* I always use my rear brake when cornering, never my front
* My throttle was pretty constant, no bunny hops or any sudden changes
* i was in second i think, could have done in third
* i have a bad habit of only looking a few Meters ahead of me

There wasn't any tyre noise or anything, just... fell over. think i hit a oil patch, its like someone just kicked my bike to the left.

im going over the video constantly to find where i went wrong, I think it was a combination of many things

The other thing to think about if your tyres. As far as I remember you have super sport tyres on. They are great if you are riding in the DRY and properly heated up. On the other hand if they weren't up to temp, did not have sufficient grooves, and the tyre pressure was not up to the recommended spec, then it is very likely that this has had a lot to do with your off. If you had had a sport touring tyre on with plenty of grooves for the water and rubber compound designed to work in its optimum in lower temperature (i.e. sport touring/ city riding) the story might have been different.

If you want to learn more, I recommend you do a bit of reading on the net regarding, tyres, rubber compounds, inflation and what tyre suits what kind of riding. Your life can depend on it.

[TOTO]

here are a few things you can check out for general info, but there is plenty more to learn.

http://www.canyonchasers.net/shop/generic/tires.php

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3Yq7...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS8XkFhSRX0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz6wfNZ3J0A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiTZ8NwcyhE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzsYioVi6ms

[jaffaonajappa]

guessing the tyres werent warmed up for that.....helmet mounted cameras make it hard to figure your lean angle....but 35km/h with your knee down on a roundabout in the wet? Heheh.

Was this around Albany?

Glad theres no damage, and kudos for posting the vid.

[Westy_mate]

guessing the tyres werent warmed up for that.....helmet mounted cameras make it hard to figure your lean angle....but 35km/h with your knee down on a roundabout in the wet? Heheh.

Was this around Albany?

Glad theres no damage, and kudos for posting the vid.

yup.. coldish tyres and semi-slicks.

yeah its in albany actually, nice little playground for riders

[Westy_mate]

Hey guys, just need your opinion on a couple of back sliders,

There is this Dainese one here:

http://www.motowheels.com/italian/my...0Riding%20Gear

or this Alpinestars one here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Are they suitable? will get me on the track with either one? which do you prefer?

Cheers Guys

Dane

[p.dath]

Hey guys, just need your opinion on a couple of back sliders,

There is this Dainese one here:

http://www.motowheels.com/italian/my...0Riding%20Gear

or this Alpinestars one here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Are they suitable? will get me on the track with either one? which do you prefer?

Cheers Guys

Dane

You can buy a cheaper one from Cycletreads - and they are in the same country ...

Also note they come in different sizes. You want one that covers your tail bone.

[Westy_mate]

You can buy a cheaper one from Cycletreads - and they are in the same country ...

Also note they come in different sizes. You want one that covers your tail bone.

unfortunately you cant buy one from cycle treads cheaper.. ive looked. so the ones provided are no good?

[p.dath]

unfortunately you cant buy one from cycle treads cheaper.. ive looked. so the ones provided are no good?

I didn't mean to give the impression that there was anything wrong with them. If they have a standard beginning with EN then they are probably fine. Note my comment about them being long enough to cover your tail bone (you want to prevent your tail bone being worn off in a slide). Neither of them seem to give the length.

I seemed to recall Cycletreads having back protectors from $130, but my memory could well be wrong. Toto?

[Westy_mate]

Shit! auctions closed...

heres a link for the alpinestars back protector:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ALPIN...item23114c4224

and one for the Dainese:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DAINE...#ht_2126wt_908

Also, ignore the sizes, ill sort that out later