The boycott that lied...

[jaffaonajappa]

But honestly, What a crock of shit.

Agreed.
Farken armchair internet experts, making a pile of assumptions and ramping up the venom, before they have even looked at the facts.

Fact. A book is about to be published on a topic many people are interested in, and most suspect theres been a massive cover-up.
Fact. Majority of the people posting have not read this book. But have made an opinion based on something already.
Fact. This is exactly the shitty attitude described at post #1 that started this thread.

Kiwis with blinkers, and unable to switch mindsets. How about waiting till the books been read by someone able to give it a quick review on here, before making so many 'statements'.

Yep. A Crock Of shit.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Agreed.
Farken armchair internet experts, making a pile of assumptions and ramping up the venom, before they have even looked at the facts.

Fact. A book is about to be published on a topic many people are interested in, and most suspect theres been a massive cover-up.
Fact. Majority of the people posting have not read this book. But have made an opinion based on something already.
Fact. This is exactly the shitty attitude described at post #1 that started this thread.

Kiwis with blinkers, and unable to switch mindsets. How about waiting till the books been read by someone able to give it a quick review on here, before making so many 'statements'.

Yep. A Crock Of shit.

I dont think people care about the book. More the two dead babies.

but whatever.

[jaffaonajappa]

I cant think of a PC way to word this.

But if a good thing can somehow result from a really bad thing.

Since the Kahui murders, the amount of child bashing and neglect has been escalated in the Media, and the 'tolerance' that many people seemed to have towards it has diminished. Greatly. But its still not enough.....

[JimO]

...oh and Ian is also my dad

you should hear what John Tamahere says about your old man on the wireless

[The Singing Chef]

But that would ruin daddys book now wouldn't it?

Wow, is it that time of month? or are you always a bitch?

and i have not had the chance to see the book, and am not told any of this information since i am known to ruin a good book.

And JoJ is fuckin right, this is the bullshit behaviour that i was talking about, you can't even have a fuckin mature conversation. wait untill the book is out and this misunderstood shit storm passes and you will realise what tools you have been.

Though to be fair, why would one look for a mature conversation on KB?

[The Singing Chef]

you should hear what John Tamahere says about your old man on the wireless

hehehehehe

[XxKiTtiExX]

Wow, is it that time of month? or are you always a bitch?

I'm always a bitch

[The Singing Chef]

I'm always a bitch

Fair enough then, as you were

[XxKiTtiExX]

Fair enough then, as you were

About as "mature" as those you complain about.

[jazfender]

And JoJ is fuckin right, this is the bullshit behaviour that i was talking about, you can't even have a fuckin mature conversation. wait untill the book is out and this misunderstood shit storm passes and you will realise what tools you have been.

The victims here are the babies, not your fucking dad. If he didn't want the negative publicity you would OBVIOUSLY get by writing this book, then he shouldn't have accepted it.

Truth is, boycotting doesn't really work because it generates more interest and will probably end up increasing sales.

No such thing as negative publicity.

So... stop being such a little bitch and enjoy the extra pocket money. You earned it.

[jaffaonajappa]

I dont think people care about the book. More the two dead babies.

but whatever.

Your correct here, 100%.
But the OP thread was not about two murdered babies. Its about people not wanting to hear/read information they find distasteful, and forming a very strong opinion on something despite willingly blocking out 'possibly' relevant detail.

I guess everyone will look at the issue differently. I do agree - nothing should overshadow the fact that two babies were murdered, and those responsible have not yet Paid.

But for me - the thread is about censorship, mob mentality, and trying to observe how people form opinions.....

Heres the cut and past from the Blog, linked on the first page.

By James Murray
It’s not often I write a blog in the knowledge it will be particularly unpopular, but sometimes it's important to stand up for a minority viewpoint.
I just don’t agree with the sizeable number of people on Facebook calling for a boycott of the Ian Wishart/Macsyna King book.
The deaths of the Kahui twins and the ensuing trials and inquests have been a major news story in New Zealand over the past two years.
Many of the facts and details from the case are also shocking and deeply upsetting, I should know I have been sub-editing our live updates this week and have read every sad detail.
For that reason I can understand people’s anger in hearing this book is due to be released. Macsyna King’s point of view is understandably unpalatable to many.
My first problem though comes from a bit of misinformation spreading across Facebook like melted butter – that Macsyna King is being paid from this book. She is not - she will not gain financially from its publication at all. Ian Wishart has said that some proportion of book sales will go to charity.
But this misconception is not my main worry. Boycotting a book is entirely up to an individual and is easy to achieve - you just don't hand over money for it in a store, but, encouraging national stores to not stock the book and succeeding comes dangerously close to getting it banned.
How far is it from the situation we have here to large groups of people being able to persuade books or other media they do not agree with.
Information, written and spoken, is vital for us to understand our society. We learn nothing about how to stop or reduce child abuse by not listening to what Macsyna King has to say. We can make our own decision as to whether we agree with her or not, and our own decision as to whether we buy or read the book.
We talk about the wisdom of crowds and here a crowd of about 25,000 have spoken out through Facebook and two book stockists have listened.
But it is dangerous to blithely take social media as a true indication of public opinion – indeed it is dangerous to use public opinion to make decisions about what we do and don’t publish full stop.
It is increasingly easy for people to galvanise themselves online and change the world according to their vision. Depending on your own viewpoint their success or failure will be a good thing on a case-by-case basis.
People power is great, and we live in a democracy that should live to that ideal. However, one of the strengths of democracies as they are currently set up is that they protect the viewpoints of smaller groups – we do not always do what the majority of people want because sometimes their desire has an unwarranted negative affect on a smaller group.
But, popularity or unpopularity should not be a measure of a book’s appropriateness… there shouldn’t be a measure of a book’s appropriateness, except where that book somehow breaks a country’s laws. Even then there would be plenty who argue the ‘illegal’ books case.
Trying to ban this book is equivalent to burying our problems like a dog’s bone – saving them up for later. We should man-up and face them head on.
We should read the book before we judge it – and then voice our own criticism. Write to a newspaper, start up a blog, update our statuses in outrage if that is what we feel necessary.
What we shouldn’t do is to try and strangle access to information.

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Signing Off.

[jonbuoy]

My first problem though comes from a bit of misinformation spreading across Facebook like melted butter – that Macsyna King is being paid from this book. She is not - she will not gain financially from its publication at all. Ian Wishart has said that some proportion of book sales will go to charity. http://www.3news.co.nz/Boycotting-Ma...2/Default.aspx

It has been said many a time, it was said by one anonymous person that she would be making money and the tools in masses follow

Where is the rest of the money going? Is the writer giving his time for free?

[Paul in NZ]

I have a BIG problem with this book. Its defenders will tell us that its all about freedom of speech, the facts must come out, its only fair that she has her say, will shed new light yada yada yada. I dont care what she has to say now - its too fucking late for that by a long shot. The time for her and the family to have their say came and went, several times and how foolish to stir this up again. Now the mob want our say....

I'm sick to death of these socially and emotionally retarded wasters spreading their filthy genes all through society and sapping the very vitality from everything we do. I'm angry we even need to have this debate let alone waste energy on it. We have got better things to do.

It seems that from every pulpit and every webpage someone that has confessed to making mistakes but i've learnt is telling us a story. They stand there in their new shirts all gleaming with innocence and at last they have their stardom. Well fuck off - most of us never made those kinds of mistakes, we were too busy working and we didnt kill our bloody kids or get hooked on P or stab old ladies in the bloody eye, we borinly went to bloody work, paid our taxes and raised our kids as well as we could, supported the PTA and coached rugby or netball and dreamed of a better future.

Not these fuckers. Working and sobriety and loving their kids is just plain hard work eh? Well fuck the lot of them. They dont want to co operate to solve this crime, cut their fucking benefits off and lets have a parting of the ways.

(jeeze - what a rant)

In short - I'm sick to death of the whole kahui clan and everything they stand for and i think thats what people are sick of. Not just the babies but the whole damn shooting box. Use DNA testing to track down the whole clan and eradicate them.....

[White trash]

That is the point that people are trying to get across, she is not making a single cent from the book, that was a piece of false information put up by the founder of the page to most likely get votes, and that is what the whole argument is about, hence why i think a small minority of the nation is blind and deaf..

Really? She's not making a cent? Great. Is Wishart making a cent? The publishing company? To them it's a cash cow. Hoping to make their fortunes off the back of the unpunished murders of two babies. Fucking fleas. I wouldn't cross the road to piss on them if they were on fire.

[White trash]

Agreed.
Farken armchair internet experts, making a pile of assumptions and ramping up the venom, before they have even looked at the facts.

Fact. A book is about to be published on a topic many people are interested in, and most suspect theres been a massive cover-up.
Fact. Majority of the people posting have not read this book. But have made an opinion based on something already.
Fact. This is exactly the shitty attitude described at post #1 that started this thread.

Kiwis with blinkers, and unable to switch mindsets. How about waiting till the books been read by someone able to give it a quick review on here, before making so many 'statements'.

Yep. A Crock Of shit.

I don't give a fuck about the book. What's in it, that it was written, who wrote it, who's side it portrays, who's implicated. I don't give a rats arse.

TWO BABIES WERE MURDERED and a bunch of greedy cunts are profitting from it.

Mr Wishart says "some" proceeds will go to charity? How very fucking noble. How about, every single cent of profit goes to prevention of child abuse charity?