Career advice from Kiwi Biker please

[Winter]

Boss offered me a promotion today, with a payrise.

I want the job, problem is the payrise is shit.. 3%, for more responsibility and workload.

You have untill 10am tomorrow morning to talk me out of turning it down.

Winter.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Thats a shit deal. Time to look for another job but with a decent jump in pay.

[blackdog]

Turn it down. Tell the boss that you will reconsider if there is a more realistic increase in remuneration. He wouldn't have offered it to you if he didn't want you in that role. You hold all the cards.

[Latte]

3% is inflation, basically the "minimum" payrise a large organisation gives you (without a promotion).

If the new role will look awesome on the CV and you're reasonably new in the workforce it could pay dividends in the long run.

[Berries]

I want the job, problem is the payrise is shit.. 3%, for more responsibility and workload.

Your answer is in the first four words just there. Take the job and you'll make it more likely you will be able to get out and find a better paid job in the future.

If you get on with your boss tell him you want 10% and see his reaction. He may bump up the offer from 3% but if you want it I wouldn't let pay be the stumbling block.

[KiWiP]

I want the job, problem is the payrise is shit..

You're confusing 2 issues. Make a decision, you want the responsibility or you don't. If you want more money go to a different firm that will pay you what you think you're worth.

Thats a shit deal. Time to look for another job but with a decent jump in pay.

The deal is only shit if you believe it to be so. Only you know this but if you are uncomfortable with it now it won't get better once you start.

You hold all the cards.

Only if he can't get anyone else and even the prime ministers sweet job isn't that secure.

3% is inflation, basically the "minimum" payrise a large organisation gives you (without a promotion).

If the new role will look awesome on the CV and you're reasonably new in the workforce it could pay dividends in the long run.

ditto Only you know the job and the future. But if you don't take the promotion get a new job very, very soon. Your boss has given you an opportunity if you don't take it it's an insult to him and he won't have too much respect for you in the future.

Go with your gut. If you want it go for it, if it doesn't feel right it isn't. Only you know.

That doesn't help much does it?

[Bald Eagle]

Theory has it that the first side of the negotiation to mention money loses. You are in the box seat, assume you have your existing job if you don't take the offer so tell the boss you'll do it for x % , take it or leave it, after all at this stage all you've got to lose is a lousy 3% which is less than the cost of inflation.

[blackdog]

Only if he can't get anyone else

For 3% more.

Theory has it that the first side of the negotiation to mention money loses. You are in the box seat, assume you have your existing job if you don't take the offer so tell the boss you'll do it for x % , take it or leave it, after all at this stage all you've got to lose is a lousy 3% which is less than the cost of inflation.

QED

[yod]

Tell him you want 4-5% now (surely he's expecting you to negotiate?) and another 2-4% in 6-12 months if you perform your duties to an agreed standard. And come up with some ideas of what that agreed standard should be, also negotiable, of course.

[James Deuce]

This isn't a black and white decision. The small pay rise and extra responsibility can be converted into a CV upgrade. Spend 6 months in the job, learn some new stuff and develop the appropriate work habits for the responsibility, then go job hunting. You can work this to your favour despite maybe not getting paid enough to initially be worth your while.

[blackdog]

This isn't a black and white decision. The small pay rise and extra responsibility can be converted into a CV upgrade. Spend 6 months in the job, learn some new stuff and develop the appropriate work habits for the responsibility, then go job hunting. You can work this to your favour despite maybe not getting paid enough to initially be worth your while.

I disagree.

You want the job. In the immediate future it must be milked for every available cent. I am convinced that 3 percent is not all that is on offer.

Everything else I agree with JD.

[The Lone Rider]

I'd be suspicious... especially if the new job is under a new job title they didnt previously have.


I have heard a number of stories of someone at my workplace who was "promoted" into a position that they didn't previously have. Only to fire him after X amount of time because it was no longer a position they "needed" filled at the work place.

More recently, someone was "promoted" to a team leader job, except they changed the title of the position so that he wasn't under the same contract as the other team leaders (who have unlimited paid sick days for example).

[rogerh]

This isn't a black and white decision. The small pay rise and extra responsibility can be converted into a CV upgrade. Spend 6 months in the job, learn some new stuff and develop the appropriate work habits for the responsibility, then go job hunting. You can work this to your favour despite maybe not getting paid enough to initially be worth your while.

This is good advice. I did this once, and was recognised for doing a good job, and ending up staying with a good increase after the 6 months. YMMV. But above is also an excellent plan.

Good luck.

[Deano]

How many people have received any increase at all in the past 2 years (since the recession) ?

I'd take the promotion and the 3% and be thankful for small mercies.

Taking it will improve your CV and skills/experience. Passing it over may mean you are overlooked for promotion next time.

(But I'm a grumpy, cynical and dissatisfied employee at the mo)

[Oakie]

Take the job. It'll look better on the CV and help you get a better paying job somewhere else if that's what you want. You can still have a small "with the extra resonsibility is there any room to move on the pay rate" befor you sign on the bottom line. If you don't get the money, you're getting the experience so at the least, your current employer will be making you more attractive to a new employer. It's not always directly about the money.