Rossi is a coming

[gav]

Latest qualifying in MotoGP (Sachsenring), 3 Ducatis in top 10 yet Rossi is 16th !! Yep 16th, second to last, only one he beat was Sylvian Guintoli.

[Brian d marge]

second off last years time

Stephen

[slowpoke]

Well Casey Stoner can .... the carbon fibre frame/airbox concept was introduced last season, its not new this year ...
As I said, look at Stoner's results from his last 6 races on the board. It was a race winning bike that Rossi/Burgess inherited.
Ducati were always insistent that the bike was designed to be ridden in a certain manner. It certainly looks like Rossi doesn't push the bike anything like Stoner use to.

Yeah.....nah. The Duc went from a bike Capirossi could win on, and even Bayliss could step back in after a year away for a one off ride and win on it. So the bike Stoner inherited was a pretty good and relatively friendly piece of kit. No suprise he stepped up with his talent and the Bridgie advantage and won the title.

But incrementally the bike has become harder and harder to ride, and incrementaly he modified his style (he looks a lot different on the bike now to his pre-Duc Honda days). Now even previous GP winners like Melandri/Capirossi/Elias/Hayden/Rossi are finding it's so different to their other machines (even Capirossi who won on the old 'un) that the step to competitive times is just huge.

No argument Stoner is awesome but he had the advantage of making small adaptations along the way, evolving with the bike whereas everyone else has to take a giant leap. It's a big ask. And coincidentally Stoners efforts to master the Duc have set him up well for the more rider friendly Honda.

[Crasherfromwayback]

But surely with Rossi and JB in charge, it should be getting better? How is it better than what finished the season last year? Just how good is Casey Stoner to have been able to win on that bike last year?

They can only improve certain things. Some stuff they can't change, ie the materials, design philosophy etc. The Carbon Fibre airbox is bike porn, but Rossie and Burgess don't get a say in what it's made of etc.

With Rossi not making the progress that everyone expected him to make Ducati have got to start looking at the fundamentals of the bike. After all, most people feel that if he can't make it work then who can??

Well Casey Stoner can .... the carbon fibre frame/airbox concept was introduced last season, its not new this year ...
As I said, look at Stoner's results from his last 6 races on the board. It was a race winning bike that Rossi/Burgess inherited.
Ducati were always insistent that the bike was designed to be ridden in a certain manner. It certainly looks like Rossi doesn't push the bike anything like Stoner use to.

It was something Casey Stoner could ride the arse off. Nobody else. Capirossi is the only other person to win on it and that was one of those dodgy races where it rains etc. Stoner had a long list of things that he wanted for the bike but never got, which was one of the main reasons he left Ducati. Things that Rossi is getting and they're definitely improving things, but not enough.

Bin it and start again , if rossi wins ANYTHING , this year and next ( the 1000 might mask the prob) he IS a legend

Stephen...why would Rossi winning a single race on a bike he inherited in race winning form from Stoner make him a legend? He's qualified the SLOWEST of all the Ducati's, he's miles off the pace and looking lost.

[Crasherfromwayback]

. And coincidentally Stoners efforts to master the Duc have set him up well for the more rider friendly Honda.

Think you'll also find he'd happily win races on the Yamaha too.

[Brian d marge]

Stephen...why would Rossi winning a single race on a bike he inherited in race winning form from Stoner make him a legend? He's qualified the SLOWEST of all the Ducati's, he's miles off the pace and looking lost.

because the bike is a heap of poo , as it stands with the cf frame, its fundamentally flawed . As I have said in many posts , the way it is , it wont be turning in and there will be no feeling ( heat in that front ) ,,, ,, and as those tyres are also poo ( work em to get heat and to work en you need heat ,,, catch 22)

As said if he stands on that podium on that bike he has ridden well .

Stephen

[Crasherfromwayback]

As said if he stands on that podium on that bike he has ridden well .

Stephen

His star is fading.

[Shaun]

His star is fading.

The clock is deffinatelt ticking, but Rossi is one rider I would never write off untill he retires

[Crasherfromwayback]

The clock is deffinatelt ticking, but Rossi is one rider I would never write off untill he retires

I'd never do so. But he's an extremely intelligent man. He has no need to fuck himself up to prove anything to anyone, and this task he's taken on might've worked for him 5 years ago. It looks to me like he's not prepared to risk serious injury to move forward anymore, and who in their right mind would blame him?

[Shaun]

I'd never do so. But he's an extremely intelligent man. He has no need to fuck himself up to prove anything to anyone, and this task he's taken on might've worked for him 5 years ago. It looks to me like he's not prepared to risk serious injury to move forward anymore, and who in their right mind would blame him?

Yea quite likely man, and bridges are burned now at Honda and Yamaha

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yea quite likely man, and bridges are burned now at Honda and Yamaha

If he hadn't have packed his wee tanty at Yamaha for keeping Lorenzo on, he may've had a chance of getting the title of the GOAT. Ain't gonna happen now.

[Shaun]

If he hadn't have packed his wee tanty at Yamaha for keeping Lorenzo on, he may've had a chance of getting the title of the GOAT. Ain't gonna happen now.

Bugger, agree with ya again Honda has always = Money, Yamaha has always = Smart quality in the GP scene Ducati = Passion and write place at the write time with a talented rider

[RobGassit]

16th? Rossi who?

[BMWST?]

i wouldnt write him off yet.He is having a hard time but i think he will not rest until he has done his best.I bet there is serious shit going on in the background for the next years(or maybe the year after that) bike.If he got a half competitive bike we will see more wins from Mr Rossi.I cant see Ducati NOT giving him what he wants eventually

[Crasherfromwayback]

I can see it all ending in tears.