Leaky buildings. Thinking of buying a post '95 home? Own one?

[flyingcrocodile46]

Thats why I got out of being a Building Inspector

But the way the Building Act amendment is going the Councils will no longer require building inspectors because it will all be up to the Builder and their insurance to fix anything that goes wrong

P'shaww.! How can you say such a thing .

It's all about minimising Council liability as the deep pocket (last man standing) in litigation over failures. Cynical people associate it with a concession in respect of/for agreements in the FAP act (act of fapping ) Not really an Act though, it's a Bill and anyway they ain't acting. Weathertight Homes Resolution Services (Financial Assistance Package) Bill

[Dodgy_Matt]

P'shaww.! How can you say such a thing .

It's all about minimising Council liability as the deep pocket (last man standing) in litigation over failures. Cynical people associate it with a trade of in respect to agreements in the FAP act (act of fapping ) Not really an Act though, it's a Bill and anyway they ain't acting. Weathertight Homes Resolution Services (Financial Assistance Package) Bill

The WCC had me lined up to take a big role in their FAP team... but I walked.

Like I could say to anyone, "oh I work on a FAP team!!!"

[Quasievil]

Would it be reasonable to suggest that money was the biggest contributor to the situation we are currently in.
The cheapest possible method in doing and specifying everything to the point where we now have this issue.

Fuck that was my 7000 post on the god forsaken life sucking site, and thats all I said fuck me im loosing my touch

[Dodgy_Matt]

P'shaww.! How can you say such a thing .

It's all about minimising Council liability as the deep pocket (last man standing) in litigation over failures. Cynical people associate it with a concession in respect of/for agreements in the FAP act (act of fapping ) Not really an Act though, it's a Bill and anyway they ain't acting. Weathertight Homes Resolution Services (Financial Assistance Package) Bill

FAP only realy covers existing homes.. in the future it will be solely on the builder and insurer.

[dangerous]

And what constitutes a qualified builder???? Or are you refering to a qualified carpenter who aspires to being a builder??? Building is the ...... awe fuck dont get me started. To be a qualified builder you need to be a trade technician ( 2 levels up from a tradesman in which you learn all the systems present in building and construction)... to do that you need to hold a NZCB or after 2002 the NDCM .... end of rant.

WHAT SORTA A SHIT ARE YOU ON? fuck man... to be qualified you just need trade cert and 4yrs under ya belt.

Differance between a builder an d a carpenter... the carpenter works for a builder.

[flyingcrocodile46]

I may be proven wrong about this, but it has allways been my understanding that there is no such thing as a 'qualified' Builder because there is no such qualification or course specifically structured for that purpose (unlike for a carpentry qualification). I haven't checked but I doubt NZQA will list it.

The introduction of the Licensing of Building Practitioners (LPB) is a license not a qualification. It is only recently that an actual qualification (like trade cert) has been accepted as substantive demonstration of your worthiness to hold a license. You don't need any qualification at all to become an LBP.

[dangerous]

I may be proven wrong about this, but it has allways been my understanding that there is no such thing as a 'qualified' Builder because there is no such qualification or course specifically structured for that purpose (unlike for a carpentry qualification). I haven't checked but I doubt NZQA will list it.

The introduction of the Licensing of Building Practitioners (LPB) is a license not a qualification. It is only recently that an actual qualification (like trade cert) has been accepted as substantive demonstration of your worthiness to hold a license. You don't need any qualification at all to become an LBP.

You are quite correct, most people say 'builder' instead of carpeneter even tho thats what they mean... same thing at the end of the day.

LBP licence is the bigest crock a shit since I dont know when... eg the EQC work I do needs ticking of by a LBP, theres only one in our company and hes a right dill, has no idea... but he paid his fee and is licenced.

[SPman]

Thats why I got out of being a Building Inspector

But the way the Building Act amendment is going the Councils will no longer require building inspectors because it will all be up to the Builder and their insurance to fix anything that goes wrong

Just like here in Oz.........land of some appalling building standards....but...never mind...the builder is liable...if he's still around.

I may be proven wrong about this, but it has allways been my understanding that there is no such thing as a 'qualified' Builder

Sorry, by 'qualified' Builder I meant trade certificated, long term carpenters.as per mr D's comment.

piss of it did... the shit breaks down reguardless of the jointer type.

We've got one Hardies product on our house that doesn't break down in all weathers!
Mind you, it has massive historical problems of it's own.............

[flyingcrocodile46]

You are quite correct, most people say 'builder' instead of carpeneter even tho thats what they mean... same thing at the end of the day.

LBP licence is the bigest crock a shit since I dont know when... eg the EQC work I do needs ticking of by a LBP, theres only one in our company and hes a right dill, has no idea... but he paid his fee and is licenced.

I struggle with the fact that it is infinitely harder, (though easier since it was revised) to wade through the application and process to understand what info they want and how/where they want it presented, than it is to satisfy any meaningful minimum criteria for actual qualifications, experience, references and low demand testing of an understanding of the Building Act, Regulations, roles of key player (such as BCA's), NZBC clause objectives functional/performance requirements and how to go about satisfying them along with any testing of actual trade related basic knowledge.

If you can read and understand what they want and have the ability to fluff it up with purty word bows and some pretty average references/testimonials then you're in.

[porky]

WHAT SORTA A SHIT ARE YOU ON? fuck man... to be qualified you just need trade cert and 4yrs under ya belt.

Differance between a builder an d a carpenter... the carpenter works for a builder.

I hope this is a funny. If you build as well as you spell... well i rest my case.

The NZCB qual has been around since Noah knocked up the ark. Its just that most in the building/ construction fraternity seem to think an apprenticeship in carpentry.... monkey see monkey do .... is all you need to learn. Dont believe me.... well look at all the fucked up buildings built by morons who completed an apprenticeship in carpentry and were too proud or thought they knew everything, to the point they commanded enough respect in the industry to pass on all their bullshit short cuts with out having the skills or ability to evaluate their actions.
Building is a discipline requiring multiple components. What we see now is a drive by MB and CB to have a bigger role, pushing the carpentry barrow with extras and unfortunately not acknowledging the higher levels of learning for the trade.This has meant that that fewer people are advancing and improving their skill base.... to the point that we have a wanked out system (CPD) where you can score brownie points by rocking along to your local ITM /Carters/ Benchmark etc, participate in some trade promotion, hosted by someone like Hardies, who will bash on about their products and fill your head full of their sales bollocks, and fuck all building science.

And for the record NZCB = NZ Certificate in Building and the NZQA website clearly states that the Nat Dip in Construction Management is a replacement Qual for the NZCB ....applied theory...end of quote.

So from this stoned out fucker who holds both a trade cert (monkey see... monkey do..) and a NDCM (learn to think for yourself fucker and make sound decisions based on the best information industry has available) i do see a distinct difference in the two.
End of rant part 2.

[flyingcrocodile46]

I hope this is a funny. If you build as well as you spell... well i rest my case.

The NZCB qual has been around since Noah knocked up the ark. Its just that most in the building/ construction fraternity seem to think an apprenticeship in carpentry.... monkey see monkey do .... is all you need to learn. Dont believe me.... well look at all the fucked up buildings built by morons who completed an apprenticeship in carpentry and were too proud or thought they knew everything, to the point they commanded enough respect in the industry to pass on all their bullshit short cuts with out having the skills or ability to evaluate their actions.
Building is a discipline requiring multiple components. What we see now is a drive by MB and CB to have a bigger role, pushing the carpentry barrow with extras and unfortunately not acknowledging the higher levels of learning for the trade.This has meant that that fewer people are advancing and improving their skill base.... to the point that we have a wanked out system (CPD) where you can score brownie points by rocking along to your local ITM /Carters/ Benchmark etc, participate in some trade promotion, hosted by someone like Hardies, who will bash on about their products and fill your head full of their sales bollocks, and fuck all building science.

And for the record NZCB = NZ Certificate in Building and the NZQA website clearly states that the Nat Dip in Construction Management is a replacement Qual for the NZCB ....applied theory...end of quote.

So from this stoned out fucker who holds both a trade cert (monkey see... monkey do..) and a NDCM (learn to think for yourself fucker and make sound decisions based on the best information industry has available) i do see a distinct difference in the two.
End of rant part 2.

Good to see the well informed saying it as it is. Harsh as it is, none of it is untrue, but isn't necessarily relevant when qualifications haven't ever been required... ever since 'Noah knocked up the ark'. So any joe blo has been able to become a Wharehouse fresh... dare I say, 'Qualified Builder' and has comprised over half the nations stock of builders.

Though am still unclear as to what qualification makes for a "qualified Builder" in particular where it is stated within that qualification framework that the holder is a "qualified Builder".

I know that there are other qualifications that are arguably more worthy than that of Carpentry trade cert, but they are limited to Diplomas, Bachelor , Certificates in building, construction, related science and dozens of other permutations of segments of building including construction management, developments, NZBC etc, which (and again.. I could be proven wrong) don't appear to confer the status of 'qualified builder'.

I am not sure that it ever existed

[dangerous]

learn to think for yourself fucker

well... such personal abuse does not do much for your cred
The cualfactions you mention were either not around when I did my time and or were not reconisble, and appretiship was it as it was for all trades.

As for the rest of your post while a very small part of it may hold some truth... and I'm thinking for myself here, most of it is crap.

If anyone is interested in what I am capable of there is a thread titled "another dangerous creation" a fer years old now and since then my builds make them look like the family batch.


NB: I offer no opoligys for my spelling nor am I sorry if it bothers anyone, sad life when it is all one has to pick on.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Southerners have always been slow

http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/n...of-leaky-homes

Rise in number of leaky homes

[flyingcrocodile46]

If anyone is interested in what I am capable of there is a thread titled "another dangerous creation" a fer years old now and since then my builds make them look like the family batch.


NB: I offer no opoligys for my spelling nor am I sorry if it bothers anyone, sad life when it is all one has to pick on.

Nor should you. You communicate what you need/want to be said quite clearly.

I have seen your build thread and I was impressed with the work you have undertaken and from what I gather, your past clients stand by your workmanship, which ultimately is and should be the highest endorsement of competency.

[Swoop]

We've got one Hardies product on our house that doesn't break down in all weathers!
Mind you, it has massive historical problems of it's own.............

At least their products lasted well when that was added.
Once removed, they all went downhill.