Leaky buildings. Thinking of buying a post '95 home? Own one?

[flyingcrocodile46]

Yes existed, but The manuals are removed from the councils library’s by JH when they update any manual, and then there is no record of the said older manual.
If you asked for a product manual from JH for when your house was built they just say no, sorry they have been updated and send you a new version.

The reason JH does not pay-out in claims is that there is no record or manual for the time your house was built and its hard to dispute in court in front of a Judge if you can’t prove that you installed the JH product to the at the time specifications.

And on a side note, Council only are able to enforce the CODE which is produced/governed/implemented by the Government. The Council does not have any real input into the make up the of the Building Code or the Building Act, they are only there to enforce it.

If you have issues with any part of the code.. no point arguing with the Council... take it up with the DBH (Department of building and Housing) or the Housing Minister..

I (as have others) have copies of all of them along with those of other manufacturers and product types. Also have almost all the old BRANZ bulletins and some historical appraisals and a library of historic and current standards. There are sizable libraries are out there.

Your summation of the role of councils (and other BCA's to a degree) is correct, but they must fairly assess and (when appropriate) approve alternative solutions rather than simply mandate and 'enforce' acceptable solutions. If you know your onions you can force them to allow you to do it your way (as long as it is actually correct and not simply a misguided conviction that it is correct and appropriate.. as is most often the case)

If they don't and you have a substantive, sound and properly documented explanation of the basis on which you believe compliance can and will be achieved, then you can apply for a determination from the DBH. All parties must follow their directions. However the DBH will tell you that you have to follow the process of application through the BCA to its conclusion (BCA rejection of your application or application for amendment to consent) before they will proceed to a determination.

[SPman]

And on a side note, Council only are able to enforce the CODE which is produced/governed/implemented by the Government

We also enforced the Standards as applicable to the methods of construction being used.
It's a worry how often we had to tell a supposed qualified builder to correct basic building structure fuck ups as not complying with NZS3604 or whatever, let alone the code or approved plans.......

[Quasievil]

It's a worry how often we had to tell a supposed qualified builder to correct basic building structure fuck ups as not complying with NZS3604 or whatever, let alone the code or approved plans.......

Wow I actually can agree with you for once.
My point entirely.

[SPman]

Wow I actually can agree with you for once.
My point entirely.

Whoa, easy there Tonto......the most problems we did encounter involved hardietex somewhere in the equation......regardless of the ability of the builders......

[Quasievil]

Tell me guys what was the cheapest cladding option per square metre around at the time ?

[flyingcrocodile46]

Tell me guys what was the cheapest cladding option per square metre around at the time ?

Corrugated iron &/or ply, at a guess, and I can't be arsed digging up my dusty old price books (I once had a very small unsuccessful building supply, truss and prenail business)

Probably didn't get used as much because no one was continuously promoting them on TV and other media as the Bee's knees in superior technological innovation and low low (did I say 'low') maintenance. (at a guess)

[BMWST?]

Corrugated iron &/or ply.

Probably didn't get used as much because no one was continuously promoting them on TV and other media as the Bee's knees in superior technological innovation and low low (did I say 'low') maintenance. (at a guess)

good old hardiflex probably...but that had a proper jointing system which people didnt like the look of

[dangerous]

good old hardiflex probably...but that had a proper jointing system which people didnt like the look of

piss of it did... the shit breaks down reguardless of the jointer type.

[BMWST?]

piss of it did... the shit breaks down reguardless of the jointer type.

that wasnt the question...it was..what was the cheapest

[Quasievil]

Would it be reasonable to suggest that money was the biggest contributor to the situation we are currently in.
The cheapest possible method in doing and specifying everything to the point where we now have this issue.

[flyingcrocodile46]

that wasnt the question...it was..what was the cheapest

Yes but by what measure. Many measure cost on a whole of life time basis, in which case initial and ongoing painting (not required for ply or galv iron) along with other cladding specific maintenance costs have to be added in. I don't think fibre cement products would fare well in that comparison.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Would it be reasonable to suggest that money was the biggest contributor to the situation we are currently in.
The cheapest possible method in doing and specifying everything to the point where we now have this issue.

Post # 76

The fact that (IMO) the lions share of builders negligence lies at the feet of the owner builders who had no clue as to the hidden costs in all the details that weren't shown on their $1000 set of plans and who, though pushing the envelope of their finances right at the start, decided (in their infinite wisdom) that they would save tens of thousand$ by using unqualified labour only contractors and cheap (uncontrolled) subbies who had priced poorly scoped (by the ignorant) contracts which frequently resulted in under lapping responsibilities and countless un-budgeted requirements. As I recall, these people couldn't afford to finish their builds and would knowingly cut corners. In my experience I estimate more than half of the houses built between the mid eighties and beyond 2000 were built by owner builders. Where are they now?

The market were provided the level of competence that they demanded of the industry. Every house buyer shares in that responsibility.

[Quasievil]

Well that resolves it then
a combination of poor workmanship, cheap materials, poor specification, based on financial pressures of many types resulted in the situation.
Certainly not one of any of the above is a single contributor even a cladding system but a combination of many things.

If I have contradicted a previous statement made by me that would be because I did some research about the latest scenarios that have come to light via the net, I read a few court summarizations which where very interesting.

Im going to let it lie there I think

[dangerous]

Well that resolves it then
a combination of poor workmanship, cheap materials, poor specification, based on financial pressures of many types resulted in the situation.
Certainly not one of any of the above is a single contributor even a cladding system but a combination of many things.

Hell yes, aint no one thing thats for farking real... mate a biger bitch than Hardies I have is polystirene

Would it be reasonable to suggest that money was the biggest contributor to the situation we are currently in.
The cheapest possible method in doing and specifying everything to the point where we now have this issue.

Yes... ahhh the kiwi way aye, get what ya pay for.

that wasnt the question...it was..what was the cheapest

I know, and agree that it was and is hardies.

[BMWST?]

Yes but by what measure. Many measure cost on a whole of life time basis, in which case initial and ongoing painting (not required for ply or galv iron) along with other cladding specific maintenance costs have to be added in. I don't think fibre cement products would fare well in that comparison.

no arguement here,but many many many budgets are pushed to the limit so the cheapest initaial outlay is the one that gets chosen