Rossi is a coming

[Matt Bleck]

I read some where that Ducati may go back to a conventional frame setup, either trellis or cast ali!

Here's the aritcle here

[denill]

Had a thought late last night and was wondering if some of you more knowledgeable types might help me understand something...

So, the minimal Ducati 'chassis' in its current form (being airbox, engine, rear linkage) provides no feeling from the front, due, in the main, to the rigidity of the engine as a stressed member of the 'chassis'. Is that right? No flex in the middle is impeding feeling from the front?

If that is so, does a traditional delta box/twin spar/trellis frame 'suspend' the engine? Provide some sort of 'cushioning' of the engine's vibration, allowing the feeling of the front end to get through to the rider?

Also, with a traditional chassis, how are the front and rear connected — the triple clamp at the front, rear linkage at the back?

Sorry if this is very naïve or ignorant — I'm just trying to work something out in my head that occurred to me...

I most certainly do not know the answers to your questions.

But I do know that Rossi is a much better rider than his current results indicate. Which is a bugger, because imagine the fest if he was up there with the other Aliens.......................

[Crasherfromwayback]

because imagine the fest if he was up there with the other Aliens.......................

Sooner the better!!!

[Mental Trousers]

Had a thought late last night and was wondering if some of you more knowledgeable types might help me understand something...

So, the minimal Ducati 'chassis' in its current form (being airbox, engine, rear linkage) provides no feeling from the front, due, in the main, to the rigidity of the engine as a stressed member of the 'chassis'. Is that right? No flex in the middle is impeding feeling from the front?

If that is so, does a traditional delta box/twin spar/trellis frame 'suspend' the engine? Provide some sort of 'cushioning' of the engine's vibration, allowing the feeling of the front end to get through to the rider?

Also, with a traditional chassis, how are the front and rear connected — the triple clamp at the front, rear linkage at the back?

Sorry if this is very naïve or ignorant — I'm just trying to work something out in my head that occurred to me...

The problem (as I understand it) isn't that they're using the engine as part of the frame. It's because they're using Carbon Fibre for the airbox/front part of the frame. So there's no flex from the front to the middle of the bike, other than in the forks (which got bigger last year causing almost everyone to have problems with lack of feel and some even went back to the previous years, smaller forks for a while, ie Stoner).

Ron Haslam (one of the best test riders ever) is a great one for saying to find the middle you first have to go past it to know you've gone past the middle. In this case that pretty much means you haven't found the optimum frame stiffness until you've gone past it, which I reckon Ducati have.

[DidJit]

Thanks for that, MT. I'm just going to ruminate and ponder some more...

[Crasherfromwayback]

The problem (as I understand it) isn't that they're using the engine as part of the frame..

And you know it's a serious problem/issue if JB and Rossi are having trouble with it.

[Shaun]

Had a thought late last night and was wondering if some of you more knowledgeable types might help me understand something...

So, the minimal Ducati 'chassis' in its current form (being airbox, engine, rear linkage) provides no feeling from the front, due, in the main, to the rigidity of the engine as a stressed member of the 'chassis'. Is that right? No flex in the middle is impeding feeling from the front?



###1 Due to Carbon front end ( NO FLEX) and the Motor being the Main link between front and rear

If that is so, does a traditional delta box/twin spar/trellis frame 'suspend' the engine? Provide some sort of 'cushioning' of the engine's vibration, allowing the feeling of the front end to get through to the rider?

#####2 Traditional frames actually flex/bend, so do provide better front enf feal to the rider

Also, with a traditional chassis, how are the front and rear connected — the triple clamp at the front, rear linkage at the back?

#####3 Just take a look at a ROAD bike, triplles to stearing head which is attached to main frame and swingarm and linkages are connected to main frame and swingarm

Sorry if this is very naïve or ignorant — I'm just trying to work something out in my head that occurred to me...

90% of bad handling issues come from the rear in my experience, as the bike is so loaded up on the rear to work, that all the force/inercia gets transfered to the front end via the main frame

Ducati has only found gains by making either a weaker ( Thinner Swingarm) or a stronger ( Thicker swingarm) Now they are needing to remove SCREWS from the CARBON Air box to try and create more flex in the front to give more feal Proved at Laguna that it is better, but they need a Conventionall frame to get back up there. All the other companies including Suzuki are a lot faster than last year and the year before, but DUCATI has Stagnated.

Italians trying to re invent the wheel, the JAPS Know bwtter than that.

Frame flex, fork action, and tyre meshing with the ground is required to go fast, now they have

No Flex

Over worked forks due to the so called chassis ) Not the forks fault)

Tyres that do not comply to the track cerfice

A PILE OF POOS

Stoner rode it bloody fast, but in fairness to Rossi and Hayden, the others have gone a lot faster now than when Stoner last raced it, and if what he last rode of theres was actually any good, he WOULD still be with Ducati, I bet he was getting paid more at Ducati than he currently is at Honda, but he is a man who will and wants to win, so made the move, bloody good on him

[DidJit]

Thanks Shaun. Still more ruminating and pondering to do...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Stoner rode it bloody fast, but in fairness to Rossi and Hayden, the others have gone a lot faster now than when Stoner last raced it,

Think you'll find Rossi was 25 odd seconds slower over race distance at Laguna this year on the Ducati than Stoner was on it last year mate.

[RobGassit]

A frame like this should do the trick.

[Shaun]

Think you'll find Rossi was 25 odd seconds slower over race distance at Laguna this year on the Ducati than Stoner was on it last year mate.

This year IS not lst year dude, the bike IS NOT the SAME NOR are the tyres

[denill]

This year IS not lst year dude, the bike IS NOT the SAME NOR are the tyres

Think you're missing the point. That is - comparing this years Ducati with last years. And a ton of spent Lire.......................

[Crasherfromwayback]

This year IS not lst year dude, the bike IS NOT the SAME NOR are the tyres

I believe your argument is that while Ducati have improved...Honda etc have improved more. That may be the case...but like I said, Rossi was 25 seconds slower over race distance this year at Laguna that Stoner was. That to me is not an improvement, and you can harldy blame the tyres , as they (just like last year) all have the same tyres on offer. They're going backwards.

[Shaun]

I believe your argument is that while Ducati have improved...Honda etc have improved more. That may be the case...but like I said, Rossi was 25 seconds slower over race distance this year at Laguna that Stoner was. That to me is not an improvement, and you can harldy blame the tyres , as they (just like last year) all have the same tyres on offer. They're going backwards.

No mate Even you can read english and understand if you just slow down a little and relax about protecting your little AUS mate, he can fight his own battles and is doing so with brilliant class

I said " Ducati did improve there" Over there current results this year at other tracks, " AS QUOTED BY ROSSI HIMSELF"

YES I can facture in the Tyres as THEY ARE DIFFERENT than last year, and are GREAT for the flexy chassis bikes but NOT the Ducati

[Crasherfromwayback]

No mate Even you can read english and understand if you just slow down a little and relax about protecting your little AUS mate, he can fight his own battles and is doing so with brilliant class

I said " Ducati did improve there" Over there current results this year at other tracks, " AS QUOTED BY ROSSI HIMSELF"

YES I can facture in the Tyres as THEY ARE DIFFERENT than last year, and are GREAT for the flexy chassis bikes but NOT the Ducati

Stoner is speaking for himself by winning races. More people are trying to stick up for their little boyfriend, and he's going backwards. The diff in times between them and the winner has not really closed up all season mate. I actually can read quite well.