Radler beer by style, but not name

[Scuba_Steve]

Fonterra (or whatever they called themselves back then) registered 'Vintage' as their own name for aged cheese about 30 years ago. It's only now they are getting all possessive over it.

probably because now they can point out a company with a just as ridiculous brand name (DB) in defence of their own.

Maybee I need to go out & buy up a whole lot of names be like those domain name squatters. I could take Personal Computer (PC), Laptop, Wine cooler, Gimlet, Tom Colins, White Russian, Black Russian, Mojito, Screwdriver etc etc

[davereid]

Wasn't it DB that ran the ads on how the stood up for the little man against the big government bullies? Looks like they have created a case for one of their own Tui billboards.

You can't sorry.

DB have also registered the phrase "yeah right".

[Bald Eagle]

The latest round in this is another brewer applying to trademark the term 'shandy' - the IP office will get egg on it's face if it refuses and look even more stupid if it approves.

But then they can charge/license the term for use by DB

The Moutere Brewing Company is trying to trademark the term "Shandy" in its battle against DB Breweries and the Intellectual Property Office.

[avgas]

heh and you lot think DB make money by selling beer.

[jim.cox]

heh and you lot think DB make money by selling beer.

The stuff DB makes and sells aint beer - its weasel piss pure & simple

[davereid]

The stuff DB makes and sells aint beer - its weasel piss pure & simple

Yep, IMHO most of the products made by the big manufacturers should not be able to be called beer.

They should be "alcoholic beverages" to avoid breaching the fair trading act.

But, maybe DB agree.

They don't actually put the word beer on Tui.

[Scuba_Steve]

They should be "alcoholic beverages" to avoid breaching the fair trading act.

calling any beer an "alcoholic beverage" would definitely be breaching the fair trading act, "alcoholic beverages" would suggest they contained alcohol

[blue rider]

there is only one good law ever to be created, regulating not only the make, but the servings and the sales period to prevent "piss'" or sour beer from being sold.


I present the Bavarian Purity Law from 1516 (yeast as ingredient not included in the first law, but is mentioned later somewhere around 1550)


We decree, establish and ordain at the behest of the Lords of Bavaria that henceforth in all the land, in the countryside as well as our towns and marketplaces, there is no other policy than this: From Michaelmas until the Feast of St George, one mug or 'head' of beer will not be sold for more than one Munich penny; and from the Feast of St George until Michaelmas, a mug will not be sold for more than two pennies of the same reckoning, and a head for no more than three heller, under pain of penalty. But when one brews any beer (other than Marzenbier), it will under no circumstances be poured or sold for more than one penny per mug. Further we decree that henceforth in all our towns, marketplaces and the whole of the countryside, no beer shall contain or be brewed with more ingredients than grain, hops, and water. He who knowingly violates these laws will be summarily fined a keg of beer, each time it happens. However, if a publican buys one, two, or three Eimer of beer from a brewery in our towns, marketplaces, or the whole countryside, to sell to the local townspeople, to him alone will it be allowed and permitted to sell mugs and heads of beer for one Heller more than is written above. Also the Lords of Bavaria reserve the right to decree appropriate changes to this decree for the public benefit in the event that strong hardship arises from shortages and price increases of grains (since the seasons and the region and the harvest times in our land can vary); in that event the right to adjust the regulations over the sale are explicitly expressed and established.

Mug/Mass= (Bavarian) 1.069 Liters
Head = round container for fluids, containing slightly less than one Bavarian 'mug'
Heller = Munich half-penny
Eimer/bucket = 60 Bavarian 'mugs' (64 liters)

the law still exists and in order to sell Bier...must be adhered to, all other beer like beverages must be labeled as such, an addendum was created in the nineties to allow "beer" containing artificial flavors and such...

I like local breweries, and have heard that many good beers are served in the south island. I must go on a beer tasting roundtrip eventually.

[Voltaire]

there is only one good law ever to be created, regulating not only the make, but the servings and the sales period to prevent "piss'" or sour beer from being sold.


I present the Bavarian Purity Law from 1516 (yeast as ingredient not included in the first law, but is mentioned later somewhere around 1550)


We decree, establish and ordain at the behest of the Lords of Bavaria that henceforth in all the land, in the countryside as well as our towns and marketplaces, there is no other policy than this: From Michaelmas until the Feast of St George, one mug or 'head' of beer will not be sold for more than one Munich penny; and from the Feast of St George until Michaelmas, a mug will not be sold for more than two pennies of the same reckoning, and a head for no more than three heller, under pain of penalty. But when one brews any beer (other than Marzenbier), it will under no circumstances be poured or sold for more than one penny per mug. Further we decree that henceforth in all our towns, marketplaces and the whole of the countryside, no beer shall contain or be brewed with more ingredients than grain, hops, and water. He who knowingly violates these laws will be summarily fined a keg of beer, each time it happens. However, if a publican buys one, two, or three Eimer of beer from a brewery in our towns, marketplaces, or the whole countryside, to sell to the local townspeople, to him alone will it be allowed and permitted to sell mugs and heads of beer for one Heller more than is written above. Also the Lords of Bavaria reserve the right to decree appropriate changes to this decree for the public benefit in the event that strong hardship arises from shortages and price increases of grains (since the seasons and the region and the harvest times in our land can vary); in that event the right to adjust the regulations over the sale are explicitly expressed and established.

Mug/Mass= (Bavarian) 1.069 Liters
Head = round container for fluids, containing slightly less than one Bavarian 'mug'
Heller = Munich half-penny
Eimer/bucket = 60 Bavarian 'mugs' (64 liters)

the law still exists and in order to sell Bier...must be adhered to, all other beer like beverages must be labeled as such, an addendum was created in the nineties to allow "beer" containing artificial flavors and such...

I like local breweries, and have heard that many good beers are served in the south island. I must go on a beer tasting roundtrip eventually.

I was led to believe the law was brought in less for beer making as to stop brewers using bakers wheat and driving the price of wheat up.
Did the Lowenbrau ( Lion Beer...) tour once....ends up in the boardroom eating pretsels , cheese, ham and lots of beer....I don't even think there was a charge back then.
Dragged a lot of Munich beer glasses back in the sidecar to London.....Fullers Brewery does a good tour...and your left to it at the bar....
Commercial beer here is piss, the better the adds the poorer the beer.. I make home brew now...you can tweek up Coopers kits quite a bit with additional hops and grains. Got a nice porter and Epic clone at the moment....yum
The kits are about $80 at Pak n Save....hops and grains I get from Brewers Coop.....good fun.

[blue rider]

I was led to believe the law was brought in less for beer making as to stop brewers using bakers wheat and driving the price of wheat up.
Did the Lowenbrau ( Lion Beer...) tour once....ends up in the boardroom eating pretsels , cheese, ham and lots of beer....I don't even think there was a charge back then.
Dragged a lot of Munich beer glasses back in the sidecar to London.....Fullers Brewery does a good tour...and your left to it at the bar....
Commercial beer here is piss, the better the adds the poorer the beer.. I make home brew now...you can tweek up Coopers kits quite a bit with additional hops and grains. Got a nice porter and Epic clone at the moment....yum
The kits are about $80 at Pak n Save....hops and grains I get from Brewers Coop.....good fun.

unfortunatly I live in an small studio, so brewing is still in the future, but I make a mean vin d'orange... (the mess It makes......)
the "purity law" (more correctly translated as the cleanliness law) was brought about because brewers were effectivly cought mixing all sorts of stuff into the brews so as to make it more potent, going so far as using poor grain and poisonous plants to hide foul taste, some of the plants inducing weird dreams.... (good times, good times), but also to prevent price gauging and short selling, and imposing rules on pooring mesurements.
The peace of the land sometimes depends on the right of the citizenry to get high...wish our overlords would learn...

and if ever you make it back to bavaria, leave Loewenbraeu - they are comparable to any other large industrial brewery, go to Andechs instead
http://www.destination-munich.com/kloster-andechs.html

if/when you do, take puplic transport

[Usarka]

Yep, IMHO most of the products made by the big manufacturers should not be able to be called beer.
They should be "alcoholic beverages" to avoid breaching the fair trading act.
But, maybe DB agree.
They don't actually put the word beer on Tui.

But Tui does say "pale ale" when in fact it is not a pale ale at all, it's a lager.

I wonder if they've trademarked "pale ale" too.....?

Maybe a fair trading complaint is in order

[Voltaire]

unfortunatly I live in an small studio, so brewing is still in the future, but I make a mean vin d'orange... (the mess It makes......)
the "purity law" (more correctly translated as the cleanliness law) was brought about because brewers were effectivly cought mixing all sorts of stuff into the brews so as to make it more potent, going so far as using poor grain and poisonous plants to hide foul taste, some of the plants inducing weird dreams.... (good times, good times), but also to prevent price gauging and short selling, and imposing rules on pooring mesurements.
The peace of the land sometimes depends on the right of the citizenry to get high...wish our overlords would learn...

and if ever you make it back to bavaria, leave Loewenbraeu - they are comparable to any other large industrial brewery, go to Andechs instead
http://www.destination-munich.com/kloster-andechs.html

if/when you do, take puplic transport

Back in the olden days ( the late 80's) before the internet there was bugger all info about European Beer and breweries.Beer tourism was unknown. I went to Pilzen and they didn't even have fridges in the pubs or supermarkets.
Hardly any of the German brewers did tours...went to all the Munich ones and only Lovenbrau did one...
We had a 1970 BMW with what we were wearing,tent, sleeping bags, a change of clothes and a copy of " lets Go Europe".....times have changed for the better in that respect.
After my Trade Cert exam in 1982 I sprung for some 'exotic 'foreign beer.....Heiniken and VB......there was nothing else here. Galbraiths was still a library...
Der Post was a Post Office...

[spacemonkey]

I have refused to stock DB products in my store since this first blew up. I also told them why and invited them to have sex and travel. They didn't bother to reply funnily enough...

The IPO should be collectively shot for this bullshit decision. Fucking farcical.

I'm an importer of beer from a Brewery in Germany that also makes Radler (been making it for over 60 fucking years FFS!!! ) the beer I am not allowed to mention to clients apparently .
I'd like to thank you for taking a stand against this IPONZ idiocy and Corporate bully boy tactics.

Cheers fella you rock!

[shrub]

I'm an importer of beer from a Brewery in Germany that also makes Radler (been making it for over 60 fucking years FFS!!! ) the beer I am not allowed to mention to clients apparently .
I'd like to thank you for taking a stand against this IPONZ idiocy and Corporate bully boy tactics.

Cheers fella you rock!

I won't buy anything from DB now and i have written to them to tell them so.

[davereid]

I won't buy anything from DB now and i have written to them to tell them so.

LOL me too.
they wrote back, copy below.

But the rule stands.

No DB products, caps, shirts, badges at my home, or my workplace. And actually, thats a lot of beer, especially the workshop.

DBs reply :

From : Jo.Jalfon@db.co.nz

Hi David, thanks for taking the time to email me. You’re probably aware that DB has brewed a wide range of award-winning beers for more than 80 years. Our website correctly lists all our products which also have our details on their packaging. Just for your background too, Monteith’s Radler was trade-marked nearly 10 years ago in good faith and without objection. The reason our trade mark was successful was because to the average Kiwi the term Radler meant, and continues to mean nothing. I’ve had a couple of emails from people who believe ‘Radler’ is like Chardonnay or Stout. But that’s not simply true. The name ‘Radler’ isn’t like 'Pilsner' or 'Lager' which are internationally-recognised style references for beers brewed with defined characteristics. Radler is in fact German for ‘cyclist’ and just one of many different regional names used to describe a beer and lemonade cocktail mix – or what most English-speaking countries call ‘shandy’. In Northern Germany, the same drink is known as an 'alsterwasser' or 'alster' but in France it’s called 'panaché’. In Ireland a mixed beer is called a 'Shandygaff'.Our registration of ‘Radler’ as a trade mark a decade ago hasn’t stopped other local brewers making mixed beer beverages. There are now three other Kiwi brewers making their own lemon or lime flavoured beers quite successfully. I’m sure there will be more to come. I hope this helps in some way.

Kind regards, Jo