Enjoying the Carbon Scam?

[Quasievil]

Hold on dont you work for an Oil Company?

Yes I do, and ??
did you have a point?

[Quasievil]

No lies. No scam.

Sorry but there was and it is, the whole thing is based on biased science and agendas, as proven with the link earlier and other developments, for example the leaked emails highlighting the extend of the fraud.

The carbon tax idea is simple and Europe has had emissions trading since 2005. The Christchurch City Council make $1 million per year selling carbon credits because they have a landfill which captures methane.

The United States has emissions trading for Nitrous Oxide and Sulphur Dioxide since 1995 - its called cap and trade.

If you own a factory which burns heaps of coal, you will have to buy carbon credits from someone who has reduced their emissions. Or pay an equivalent penalty to the government.

So, you put up the price of what you sell. However a competitor installs a micro hydro power scheme and undercuts you. That means you have to change or close down. ETS is basic capitalist economics.

The Carbon trading scheme is actually failing.

http://www.350resources.org.uk/2011/...otal-collapse/

And anyway whats the point if the science is false and many major emitters are not involved because they havent signed up to the Kyoto protocol, btw neither has mother nature who has been very keen on spouting a few years worth of emissions in a single fart from one of her orifices (volcanos)

the whole global warming, ETS scam is simply about money, end of story, you dont actually need the workings of money to make emission reductions you only need policy lead by governments, money does not need to be involved at all.

[ducatilover]

Blame Thatcher, it's easy to do.

[Winston001]

Come on Winston you do realise that recent volcano eruption (the name of I can't spell,let alone pronounce)just spewed more Sulphur Dioxide into the atmosphere in one week than all the industrial coal burning factories worldwide have ever done since man discovered coal.

That is completely wrong. This misinformation has been circulating on the net for a while so I understand why people might latch on to it. The fact is, Iceland's Eyjafjoell emitted 0.3% of annual greenhouse gases. A tiny proportion.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...imate-sceptics

...the whole thing is based on biased science and agendas, as proven with the link earlier and other developments...



The Carbon trading scheme is actually failing.

http://www.350resources.org.uk/2011/...otal-collapse/

And anyway whats the point if the science is false and many major emitters are not involved because they havent signed up to the Kyoto protocol...

Interesting article, thanks.

If carbon trading is failing then that undermines the "scam" theory. No money flow to scam. How do you explain that?

[ducatilover]

That is completely wrong. This misinformation has been circulating on the net for a while so I understand why people might latch on to it. The fact is, Iceland's Eyjafjoell emitted 0.3% of annual greenhouse gases. A tiny proportion.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...imate-sceptics



Interesting article, thanks.

If carbon trading is failing then that undermines the "scam" theory. No money flow to scam. How do you explain that?

So what's the biggest contributor?

[Scuba_Steve]

so if this carbon credit scam is "working" why don't we extend it to other areas???

I don't thief things so for 3000$ someone can have a week of stealing, it'd save all that court time too as they would have already paid for their crime

[admenk]

so if this carbon credit scam is "working" why don't we extend it to other areas???

We already do - you work hard all week to gain enough credits, for your MP to sit on their arse all week enjoying themselves.

[Banditbandit]

Yes I do, and ??
did you have a point?

Hang about - if you think it is wrong for Helen Clarke and Jeanette Fitzsimmons to own shares in a wind power company and push Green propaganda supporting wind farms, why should we take seriously the anti-climate change arguments of an oil comapny employee?

[Quasievil]

If carbon trading is failing then that undermines the "scam" theory. No money flow to scam. How do you explain that?

Simple really, not all scams work out the way they where planned (look at the other recent significant scam relation to weapons of mass destruction) , and now considering the article above as well as many other facts coming to light concerning man made global warming misinformation it will continue its demise.

[avgas]

Sooo...Quasi, you like air pollution? Dirty rivers lakes and seas? Poisoned soil?

Because the pollutants have lots of carbon molecules. Where do you think smog comes from? And what would happen if there was less of it? Wouldn't that be a good thing?

There would also be less dead people if we ban carbon.
I mean think about it - if you weren't allowed to turn into carbon you would effectively be banned from dying.

Also Volcanoes would have to stop erupting. Fires would have to stop burning. Isotopes would have to trade in their half lives for full ones.

What a wonderful world it would be.

Oh wait - what do you mean it doesn't work that way?

[Quasievil]

Hang about - if you think it is wrong for Helen Clarke and Jeanette Fitzsimmons to own shares in a wind power company and push Green propaganda supporting wind farms, why should we take seriously the anti-climate change arguments of an oil comapny employee?

And what power do I have in comparison to these loonies ?

I am but a commoner, a tax payer and a citizen that can see this for what it is, a fraud, the biggest the world has ever seen.

[avgas]

Hang about - if you think it is wrong for Helen Clarke and Jeanette Fitzsimmons to own shares in a wind power company and push Green propaganda supporting wind farms, why should we take seriously the anti-climate change arguments of an oil company employee?

There is no payment under the scheme to wind farms. They simply get taxed less.
The only way to claim credits is to appoint a Forrest under the scheme. I can't remember the exact criteria but something along the lines of 50cm stump diameter and atleast 1 ha.

I remember trying to get some money for the old man, but turns out they don't care about 10 ha of Kiwifruit crop even though it removes more carbon that 1 ha of pines.

[Indiana_Jones]

So could someone make a 'paper company' and then since i'm not using up all my 'carbon' I could sell it to someone else?

-Indy

[avgas]

So could someone make a 'paper company' and then since i'm not using up all my 'carbon' I could sell it to someone else?

-Indy

Yes provided you have been allocated credits. But do it wrong and they could charge you for the credits you aren't using

Better tactic would be to buy some bush/scrub land in the middle of nowhere and claim it is full of 100 year old Kauri's.
They give you credits for saving the planet but don't actually check to see if you have any trees. As long as you submit the business case to them they will approve it.
There is no "credit checker" who drives around NZ in a 4wd, its all managed out of a law office.
Of course the only way out after that is to sell the land. But I suppose you could live off the carbon credits, plant some pines and in 20 years its no longer considered fraud. By then you sell the land and trees to the foresty and go awol with your millions.

[Banditbandit]

And what power do I have in comparison to these loonies ?

I am but a commoner, a tax payer and a citizen that can see this for what it is, a fraud, the biggest the world has ever seen.

I'd probably suggest that we ignore your views as you have a vested interest in the pollution industries ..