What's wrong with Ducati MotoGP bike?

[Cleve]

l think lt needs to go back to the tressle frame. it worked well for them in superbikes for a long time and did not seem as bad in motogp till it changed
apart from it was mph faster years ago when casy won it. l think the the engine rule
has killed the power of the engine to keep it alive for the year

Trellis you mean? Did you not read why this is NOT an option?

[Cleve]

Trellis you mean? Did you not read why this is NOT an option?

Motomatters Website is currently down so can't copy and post David's comments re the old trellis frame and why they can't do that for MotoGP bikes.

[CHOPPA]

Motomatters Website is currently down so can't copy and post David's comments re the old trellis frame and why they can't do that for MotoGP bikes.

Basically there was so many welds that no 2 chassis felt the same

[Shaun]

sorry have been head hunted by Royal enfield,,, ....we missed the hysterisis of the different materials ..was looking at that tonight, 7 different springs at full lean .....the feedback would have been way different to what anyone would be used to ....stoner ....must have just been ...sod it, or a very upright riding style ...
Stephen

And Im gone to www.tryphonos.com and Triumph

[wharfy]

And Im gone to www.tryphonas.com and Triumph

http://www.tryphonos.com/

[Shaun]

http://www.tryphonos.com/

Thanks for the spell check buddy

[Mental Trousers]

Even the simplest solution (mounting the motor so that the front cylinder is almost vertical and the rear cylinder horizontal so the bike gets some weight transfer going) would need a complete chassis redesign. But then that would fuck up the airbox etc and wouldn't fix the problem with the feel that carbon fibre provides.

Quite a problem.

How is it that the Britten worked then?? It was very similar - short section carbon fibre chassis parts mounted to the front of the engine with the swingarm mounted directly to the cases. If anything the Britten had more Carbon Fibre in the chassis parts (CF forks, A arms and wheels) than the Ducati GP bike.

The genius that is a rather eccentric and obsessive Kiwi bloke in a shed eh.

[Shaun]

Even the simplest solution (mounting the motor so that the front cylinder is almost vertical and the rear cylinder horizontal so the bike gets some weight transfer going) would need a complete chassis redesign. But then that would fuck up the airbox etc and wouldn't fix the problem with the feel that carbon fibre provides.

Quite a problem.

How is it that the Britten worked then?? It was very similar - short section carbon fibre chassis parts mounted to the front of the engine with the swingarm mounted directly to the cases. If anything the Britten had more Carbon Fibre in the chassis parts (CF forks, A arms and wheels) than the Ducati GP bike.

The genius that is a rather eccentric and obsessive Kiwi bloke in a shed eh.

The BRITEN never Worked mate, it was Just Fukin FAST! A Stroud and Jason M rode the wheels of it, simple as that

[imdying]

How is it that the Britten worked then??

Ahhh, it didn't?

[Mental Trousers]

The BRITEN never Worked mate, it was Just Fukin FAST! A Stroud and Jason M rode the wheels of it, simple as that

So at the IOM you couldn't ride the Britten as hard as a GSXR??

[DEATH_INC.]

So at the IOM you couldn't ride the Britten as hard as a GSXR??

Remember, you're talking about very different levels of racing. The Britten was cool for what it was, but it was no gp bike. It also had the Hossak front end that that article says have funny feel as well. Remember the trellis ducati frame works at wsbk level, but not moto gp. Similar to the old kwakka setup that worked at most national levels, but not wsbk.
The britten would prolly be sweet at the iom, the grip levels and stresses are way less.

[Shaun]

So at the IOM you couldn't ride the Britten as hard as a GSXR??

Correct if the GSXR was using quality shocks etc also.

It WAS A FANTASTIC bike, it WAS F------in Fast and STOPPED well and once semi up write, it GRUNTED out of turns and it looked HORN, but it was never BALLANCED to it;s best I reckon.

[Shaun]

Remember, you're talking about very different levels of racing. The Britten was cool for what it was, but it was no gp bike. It also had the Hossak front end that that article says have funny feel as well. Remember the trellis ducati frame works at wsbk level, but not moto gp. Similar to the old kwakka setup that worked at most national levels, but not wsbk.
The britten would prolly be sweet at the iom, the grip levels and stresses are way less.

No way mate, STRESSES at the TT are more than anywhere else apart from MOTOX on a motorbike if being ridden fast!

[Mental Trousers]

Correct if the GSXR was using quality shocks etc also.

It WAS A FANTASTIC bike, it WAS F------in Fast and STOPPED well and once semi up write, it GRUNTED out of turns and it looked HORN, but it was never BALLANCED to it;s best I reckon.

Thanks Shaun. Always wondered what it was like compared to something else.

No way mate, STRESSES at the TT are more than anywhere else apart from MOTOX on a motorbike if being ridden fast!

Hence shit like Steering Dampers breaking and the number of bikes that don't finish

[crazy man]

Motomatters Website is currently down so can't copy and post David's comments re the old trellis frame and why they can't do that for MotoGP bikes.

l read it and l dont beleave it! ducati have made them way to long not to get a bike frame ( motor gp frame!) 15% the same as the other cause of the frame