Collected some revenue today

[Jantar]

I drive a truck through there three or four times a week ... trucks, cars AND motorbikes coming the other way cut the corners in front of me OFTEN ...

I stay on MY side ALL the time ...

i ride a motorcycle through there 3 or 4 times a month .... busses, cars AND motorbikes coming the other way cut the corners in front of me OFTEN ... Strange that for me its busses that cut the corners, but only a few trucks.

Like FJRider, I stay on MY side ALL the time.

[Ocean1]

I drive a truck through there three or four times a week ... trucks, cars AND motorbikes coming the other way cut the corners in front of me OFTEN ...

i ride a motorcycle through there 3 or 4 times a month .... busses, cars AND motorbikes coming the other way cut the corners in front of me OFTEN ...

I only ride through there a couple of times a year. I've noticed what seems to me a significant increase in poeple appearing on my side of the road on blind corners everywhere. I have no problem with pinging the living shit out of these guys. I have no problem at all, however distinguishing between blind corners and those I can see not only through but well down the following streach of road. I can't recall ever having found myself on the same piece of road as on-coming traffic. Ever.

[FJRider]

I only ride through there a couple of times a year. I've noticed what seems to me a significant increase in poeple appearing on my side of the road on blind corners everywhere. I have no problem with pinging the living shit out of these guys. I have no problem at all, however distinguishing between blind corners and those I can see not only through but well down the following streach of road. I can't recall ever having found myself on the same piece of road as on-coming traffic. Ever.

Long may your luck continue ...

[Ocean1]

Long may your luck continue ...

I'll continue to rely on my eyes thanks.

[Berries]

Done two return trips this week, one on the bike one in the work ute. The only problems I encountered was a car in front of me slowing, swerving and then coming to a complete stop, presumably for some small animal, and the usual doddery old farts who won't go above 70 and won't pull over when they get the chance.

No problems on the bike, other than trying not to cut corners where I could see it was safe to do so. And that's only because every now and again they show some photos in the ODT of people being snapped by the Police hidden on a hill in the gorge.

[scumdog]

cut corners where I could see it was safe to do so.

Famous last words of a corner cutter...

You would think NOBODY cut corners where it is not safe to do so - yet we still have head-on crashes.

And not ALL of them can be attributed to bad overtaking.

[oldrider]

I make it a personal practice of trying to only ride/drive in my own space. (the "left" or designated/directed lane)

It just gives me one less thing to think about when the shit hits the fan, I always think in terms of where I am and where is best escape route!

Not just on the roads but in every day life, it's a habit that has helped me get through 71 years of sometimes very tricky life.

If everyone "paid attention" and "drove in their own space", perhaps the roads might be a little bit safer!

Yeah yeah yeah, too easy .... lets not worry about other road users, lets just kick arse and show em who's boss out there!

How do you think all those dead cunt's would vote .... "if" they were were given another chance to make a comment?

[Berries]

Famous last words of a corner cutter...

With respect, you would say that.

You would think NOBODY cut corners where it is not safe to do so - yet we still have head-on crashes.

Isn't this thread (apparently) about cutting corners where it is not safe to do so? If you cut a corner and have a head on then quite clearly it wasn't safe to cut the corner.

You can't tell me that there aren't any curves down your way that have such good visibility that you can see that there won't be any oncoming traffic?

[Woodman]

With all this talk of corner straightening it sounds like a lot of you guys should lobby TNZ to re-align a whole lot of roads. The Harley dealers will back you.

[Shadows]

You can't tell me that there aren't any curves down your way that have such good visibility that you can see that there won't be any oncoming traffic?

I've said it before and I'll say it again... there are so few corners down here it should be a capital offence to waste them by straightening them out.

[nadroj]

The real issue seems to be the habit which is formed from cutting or straight lining corners where there is sufficient visibility.
We rave on about enjoying the twisties yet seem unable to resist straight lining them when offered a choice.
We also seem to ignore the danger of entering a corner at a speed we anticipate we will be able to take it at without the visibility to allow for the unforseen.
A mirror is the best place to find an answer!

[scumdog]

The real issue seems to be the habit which is formed from cutting or straight lining corners where there is sufficient visibility.
We rave on about enjoying the twisties yet seem unable to resist straight lining them when offered a choice.
We also seem to ignore the danger of entering a corner at a speed we anticipate we will be able to take it at without the visibility to allow for the unforseen.
A mirror is the best place to find an answer!

Wot 'e sed!!

No corner cutter does so with the knowledge they are about to have a head-on, "But I din't know/see the other cars coming" is the response from the at-fault driver in 99% of cases.

Well from the ones that could still talk that is..

[Jack Miller]

Admittedly I take a racing line through tight twisties for fun sometimes. However, the imaginary "track" is limited to my own lane. I just pretend the tarmac right of centre isn't there. Sometimes on right handers this means my head and shoulders might be in the oncoming lane but my wheels & footpegs will be left of the centreline and then only when I can see there's nothing coming. Would you have ticketed me rastuscat?

[FJRider]

Wot 'e sed!!

No corner cutter does so with the knowledge they are about to have a head-on, "But I din't know/see the other cars coming" is the response from the at-fault driver in 99% of cases.

Well from the ones that could still talk that is..

And it wasn't their fault ... cause that other vehicle came out of a side road they didn't know was there ... and THEY didn't look to see if the road was clear ...

[scumdog]

Isn't this thread (apparently) about cutting corners where it is not safe to do so? If you cut a corner and have a head on then quite clearly it wasn't safe to cut the corner.

You can't tell me that there aren't any curves down your way that have such good visibility that you can see that there won't be any oncoming traffic?

The whole point I'm trying to make is that EVERYBODY who causes a head-on (or even a near miss) started their corner cutting manoeuvre with the clear thought "It looks safe to do this, I can't see anything coming"

Few cut corners with the thought "I can't really see far enough ahead but I'll cut this corner anyway" - invariably it's the oncoming car/bike/bus/truck that they DIDN'T see approaching that gets them.

Also, some might see nothing's coming for sure - but that's because they could only see 40 metres ahead around the corner...

Simply put, in cave-man days that line of thought would have you straight into the jaws of the sabre-tooth you couldn't see around the corner...no ambo, chopper etc then to bail you out. - end of that dumb-arse gene.

Makes you wonder how we have so many cretins these days sharing the roads with us...how come the idiot gene survived through to this day