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Without Bucket racers pre 95 RS125's would be piled 10 high at the local tip.
They just scrap, nobody outside buckets uses them, not even really collectable, use em up before we run out of oil I say !
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What was on offer is not a well running RS125 and its probably not economic to get serviceable as a GP racer again or it would have been done, most RS's that get converted look like they have pretty much reached the end of their service life as a competitive GP bike.
So tell me, how does re birthing it as a Moto 3 make it a more legitimate racer than a F4, the riding and competition is just as fierce in both classes, maybe a bit more so at the sharp end of Buckets.
Moto 3 or F4, they are both hard out race classes.
pre 95 rs I have no problem with late model like this not yet as buckets i say these are still capable f3 moto3 etc
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That's a lot like saying "I wont let my daughter marry a white man".
Buckets seems to have more capable engineers than the other classes (except maybe classics), the last RS that I saw converted was a failed F3 project, started but not finished, to technical apparently ...........yeh right!
So, just why do you think F3 Moto3 Etc is more appropriate than F4? I would be very interested in a reasoned answer to that question.
did you see Scotty Moirs RS CRF450??? sickest F3 bike apart from the gimpsta machine which is sick then Glens Custom framed SV! I didnt say buckets has bad engineering I think using a genuine GP chassis designed for fast flowing circuits and taking it to stop go circuits isnt right the frame still has potential in F3 or Moto3 but a lpate model RS Chassis is going to not work to its potential on a tight go cart circuit. How many RS125 hondas have you guys ridden and I mean proper RS hondas on full circuits and then RS buckets on stop go circuits like I have. I was racing my 96 RS at the time they handle like a dream and flow on a fast wide circuit but the following weekend I rode a Rg50 powered RS and it was a good bike but didnt have the full capability of the chassis and it felt like it was unstable on the small circuits and wanted to fall over
like i say ive rode both and no to the cocks who are gonna say it im not tryna say im fast either before some of you wankers yes you know who you are who always diss my riding come on and say it
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oh and the reason to throw a four stroke in this? FMX is were power is needed fast to pull of backflips etc have you noticed X fighters this season alot of guys are running 4 stroke why they now fast powerful from the word go and not to heavy cant wait to see moto3!
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There is absolutely no way I can dis your riding, personally I am one of those guys who has to claim its all about the fun.
Yes there are some awesome RS/F3 conversions ..........
Personally, none, but one of the Team ESE riders is very familiar with riding GP125's at the pointy end and she absolutely swears by her ESE RS/GP125 F4 bike.
She placed 2nd in A grade at the last Mt Welly meeting, ahead of some other current or ex GP125 riders peddling around on their FXR's.
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As for flowing, your not going anywhere at Mt Welly (which has to be one of the shortest kart tracks used for F4 in NZ) if your not flowing.
I think Buckets is the perfect place for old RS rollers, the ones I have seen have cost about the same as a good FXR, true there is the engine and conversion, but all in all a much nicer bike and a joy to ride and pride of ownership is way up there.
Some pretty valid points from Ivan regarding the factthat RS frames are really not used to their full potential on a Kartsport track.
It does seem a little as though some less skilled pilots attempt to make up for their short commings as a rider by over compensating with an extremely well handling frame....... Personally I don't think they should be allowed, but again, valid points have been made regarding the fact that (due to Kartsport generally), their have been a few rolling chassis up for grabs over the years, and, if the price is right, then why not (sort of like passing up a one night stand, just because she is a little drunk.... if you don't take it, someone else will)
The end result is, as long as it is within the rules, they will continue to run.
In the end, it will be if you don't have an RS chassis, you won't win...well, on a long circuit anyway...... on a Kart track, I can't see it being a "must have".... there are plenty of riders that have, (and still would) ride rings around an RS Chassis, on little more than a commuter bike frame, fitted with 17in wheels and slicks.
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Its all good ..... I didn't take it that way .......... and probably most people would agree with you and can sound reasonable about it.
But you do get the odd bod from the industry spouting their mind numbing advice, scratch the surface and they don't have anything.
The point I was trying to make was, F4, F3, Moto 3 or whatever, they are all legitimate, just depends on where your heart is.
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