ANPR vans

[Scuba_Steve]

It's not ignorance SS, it's just that I've got better things to do with my life than worrying too much about the fact that I'm being monitored. Having said that, I have the ability to monitor the people who do the monitoring as well, it's called voting. Get it? You're always a bit too negative, so lighten up and live a bit.

Problem with text, if you actually knew me you probably wouldn't use the word negative, but hey till they can convey emotion (for want of a better word) in text guess ya can't help it. kinda like radio & looks really they never look as hot as they sound on radio.

Again i will ask you the same question, what freedom have you lost?
And i am not talking grades of tinfoil.

Well going back to what swbarnett said

We cannot do what we like as long as it effect no-one else, obviously you have never tried it?
This new digital IP law has taken away the right to be presumed innocent.
Freedom of speech? yea as long as it complies to the restrictions
Freedom to enjoy what you want? well try getting
one of these books - Why He Was Born So Beautiful And Other Rugby Songs, The Kama Sutra Illustrated (1971), The Complete Marquis de Sade (1975), The Limerick Vols 1 and 2 (1977), The World’s Best Dirty Jokes (1979), The Joy of Gay Sex (1983), The Autobiography of a Flea (1987), The World of the American Pit Bull Terrier (1991), and A Guy With Tits (2001)).
or these games (remember piracy is illegal) - Manhunt, manhunt 2, postal 2, Reservoir Dogs

And heres another one for ya, I don't have the freedom to use my dirt bike on the road, which under NZ law is actually EVERYWHERE but for the purposes of this, including the beach.

[Hoon]

I'm all for it. If it means that stolen vehicles or false plates can be identified immediately before a crime can be commited then sorry but this far outweighs the cries of those paranoid delusers who are only concerned with their freedom to break the law should they one day choose to.

Like others have already mentioned, those of us that have nothing to fear see this as a good thing and a win win situation whereas those that have something to hide or are just plain paranoid won't.

If it were up to me I'd make it compulsory for all citizens to have surgically implanted GPS locators.

[Hoon]

Freedom to enjoy what you want? well try getting ......

We'll I'd like to buy an AK-47 and nuclear bomb but can't. So whats your point?

[BoristheBiter]

We cannot do what we like as long as it effect no-one else, obviously you have never tried it?
I don't get your point here.
This new digital IP law has taken away the right to be presumed innocent.
Bollocks it hasn't, only your preception of this law has.
Freedom of speech? yea as long as it complies to the restrictions
We still have freedom of speech, what restrictions do you mean?
Freedom to enjoy what you want? well try getting
one of these books - Why He Was Born So Beautiful And Other Rugby Songs, The Kama Sutra Illustrated (1971), The Complete Marquis de Sade (1975), The Limerick Vols 1 and 2 (1977), The World’s Best Dirty Jokes (1979), The Joy of Gay Sex (1983), The Autobiography of a Flea (1987), The World of the American Pit Bull Terrier (1991), and A Guy With Tits (2001)).
or these games (remember piracy is illegal) - Manhunt, manhunt 2, postal 2, Reservoir Dogs
So are you saying that pedeo should be legal to buy as well? Its called standards and good taste but from seeing what you want to read and what games you want to play i guess it's missed on you.

And heres another one for ya, I don't have the freedom to use my dirt bike on the road, which under NZ law is actually EVERYWHERE but for the purposes of this, including the beach.

You are not saying what freedoms have been taken away as you were never aloud to do this anyway.

[Zedder]

I'm all for it. If it means that stolen vehicles or false plates can be identified immediately before a crime can be commited then sorry but this far outweighs the cries of those paranoid delusers who are only concerned with their freedom to break the law should they one day choose to.

Like others have already mentioned, those of us that have nothing to fear see this as a good thing and a win win situation whereas those that have something to hide or are just plain paranoid won't.

If it were up to me I'd make it compulsory for all citizens to have surgically implanted GPS locators.

Maybe not GPS, but certain people displaying anti social behaviour could be fitted with electrodes which deliver high voltage via remote control.........

[gwigs]

If it were up to me I'd make it compulsory for all citizens to have surgically implanted GPS locators.[/QUOTE]

I,m glad it isnt up to you then,
so you,d like the government to keep tabs on you ?I,m fucked if I would like it.
Its all a bit too Orwellian.

[scumdog]

I can still do the things i did back when i was growing up, in fact some people have more freedom today than they did back then.

Yup, I can legally ride at faster speed than I could when I was 30 years old, I can stay at the pub longer than I could at 25 years of age, I can import car/bike stuff more easily...somebody will tell us more no doubt.

[Scuba_Steve]

You are not saying what freedoms have been taken away as you were never aloud to do this anyway.

Im younger than alot but freedom to modify vehicles was taken away.
and the last one I mentioned was taken away in my time and probably had the biggest personal effect on me.
as for censor why should someone else decide what you can have? would you be ok if they decided Gixxers were banned because their awesomness might be offensive to some old person who has nothing better to do but complain?

[_Shrek_]

I'm all for it. If it means that stolen vehicles or false plates can be identified immediately before a crime can be commited then sorry but this far outweighs the cries of those paranoid delusers who are only concerned with their freedom to break the law should they one day choose to.

Like others have already mentioned, those of us that have nothing to fear see this as a good thing and a win win situation whereas those that have something to hide or are just plain paranoid won't.

while I don't totally disagree NZ is still heading to be a state with the way things are going

If it were up to me I'd make it compulsory for all citizens to have surgically implanted GPS locators.

but this comment is so close to home, I don't think you have any idea just how close this is to be coming a reality, as they want every one to be incerted with a chip for banking, (cashless society) location, hear every thing you say & the list goes on, so the freedoms you enjoy now will be a thing of the past

[FJRider]

Yup, I can legally ride at faster speed than I could when I was 30 years old, I can stay at the pub longer than I could at 25 years of age, I can import car/bike stuff more easily...somebody will tell us more no doubt.

If I had a vehicle that could actually achieve the speed limit at the time ... would have been a bonus ...

[jazfender]

They'll pass whatever laws they want... and until riots and a significant social uprising actually happens, all talk about 'losing our rights' won't change a thing.

The revolution will not be televised.

I'm all for it. If it means that stolen vehicles or false plates can be identified immediately before a crime can be commited then sorry but this far outweighs the cries of those paranoid delusers who are only concerned with their freedom to break the law should they one day choose to.

Minority Report?

Like others have already mentioned, those of us that have nothing to fear see this as a good thing and a win win situation whereas those that have something to hide or are just plain paranoid won't.

Moral high ground or not, it's not as black and white as you're making out. If you think that a good person has to be flawless in their conduct, you're denying a large portion of the human condition, removing part of what it is to be human and basically applying a big fat band-aid to a broken bone. One of those ones that rips all your hairs out when you try to take it off.

Those with "nothing to fear" are operating on the presumption that because they are such good people, nobody could ever infringe on their liberties in a way that affects them.

Kind of like those that are such good drivers... they could never be in an accident.

[Zedder]

The revolution will not be televised.



Minority Report?



Moral high ground or not, it's not as black and white as you're making out. If you think that a good person has to be flawless in their conduct, you're denying a large portion of the human condition, removing part of what it is to be human and basically applying a big fat band-aid to a broken bone. One of those ones that rips all your hairs out when you try to take it off.

Those with "nothing to fear" are operating on the presumption that because they are such good people, nobody could ever infringe on their liberties in a way that affects them.

Kind of like those that are such good drivers... they could never be in an accident.

The "nothing to fear" concept isn't like an analogy of an accident. It is about not breaking the law while driving that is correct in this context.

[jazfender]

The "nothing to fear" concept isn't like an analogy of an accident. It is about not breaking the law while driving that is correct in this context.

You're right, I ran away a bit there.

What's most important is that people don't think they have "nothing to fear" just because they are acting within the law. It must also be clear that being a good/righteous/just person is different from acting within the law. They may overlap but they are different concepts.

[huff3r]

You're right, I ran away a bit there.

What's most important is that people don't think they have "nothing to fear" just because they are acting within the law. It must also be clear that being a good/righteous/just person is different from acting within the law. They may overlap but they are different concepts.

Correct, you can be an absolute asshole and still be acting totally legally. It generally doesnt work much the other way round. Much of what is good and righteous is and always will be legal, as it is the general basis for the law.

[Scuba_Steve]

Correct, you can be an absolute asshole and still be acting totally legally. It generally doesnt work much the other way round. Much of what is good and righteous is and always will be legal, as it is the general basis for the law.

wow now there goes some heavily rose tinted glasses.