MotoGP, Indianapolis

[Crasherfromwayback]

it could be times like this ducati need someone from the outside to come in and help them get the bike back to were it should be, FTR is a known Moto2 front runner and they build chassis for a living so it will be worthwhile seeing how that goes

I found Stoners take on the carbon/steel/alloy thing interesting...

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Aug/110830cs27.htm

[eelracing]

That sounds reasonable.

But, do you have any reason to think it's actually true?

Only my own eyes Jelly,cos I would never trust what some Dorna payed hack writes.

But how about from the horses mouth...check what Dovi has to say on the matter in Rachprice's post

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...a-coming/page7

[Crasherfromwayback]

But how about from the horses mouth...check what Dovi has to say on the matter in Rachprice's post

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...a-coming/page7

Yeah baring the odd exception...all the best punters are ex 250 pilots.

[Badjelly]

Yeah barring the odd exception...all the best punters are ex 250 pilots.

Sure, but until a couple of years ago, 250s was the next rung down from MotoGP in the development ladder. Now it's Moto2, and we'll see how they go. Barring the odd exception (Elias) they're doing fine. Though, since Elias is the only one to try the switch so far, I'm working on a selected sample of 0.

And how come Elias's difficulties this year are a result of his year in Moto2? He's raced 250 and MotoGP for years. One year in Moto2 has turned him into a donkey? Yeah right.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Sure, but until a couple of years ago, 250s was the next rung down from MotoGP in the development ladder. And how come Elias's difficulties this year are a result of his year in Moto2? He's raced 250 and MotoGP for years. One year in Moto2 has turned him into a donkey? Yeah right.

Well actually...while you're correct, you seem to bve forgetting the riders that got feed into Moto GP from Superbikes. Most of them have failed. That's what I meant by the odd exception not coming from 250's. Care to explain what else has fucked him then?

[Badjelly]

Well actually...while you're correct, you seem to bve forgetting the riders that got feed into Moto GP from Superbikes. Most of them have failed. That's what I meant by the odd exception not coming from 250's. Care to explain what else has fucked him then?

I haven't forgotten that Superbike riders haven't gone well in MotoGP. Not relevant to Moto2 vs 250 though. Well OK, you could argue Moto2 is more like Superbikes, but in my experience you can argue pretty much anything, Crashy. And with such apparent sincerity.

What has fucked Elias? Don't know. He won a race in 2006, but he never did that well on the 800s, just threw in a few promising races at contract renegotiation time. I get the impression he's the sort of rider who has to have everything going right for him to do well. Some discouraging results, he gets offside with the crew and he goes into a downwards spiral, like Melandri in 2008.

[k14]

Well actually...while you're correct, you seem to bve forgetting the riders that got feed into Moto GP from Superbikes. Most of them have failed. That's what I meant by the odd exception not coming from 250's. Care to explain what else has fucked him then?

Aoyama has been going about the same speed as Elias lately. I'd say it is a combination of satellite team not having the resources/knowledge to setup the bike and the customer Honda being a nail.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I haven't forgotten that Superbike riders haven't gone well in MotoGP. Not relevant to Moto2 vs 250 though. Well OK, you could argue Moto2 is more like Superbikes, but in my experience you can argue pretty much anything, Crashy. And with such apparent sincerity.

What has fucked Elias? Don't know. He won a race in 2006, but he never did that well on the 800s, just threw in a few promising races at contract renegotiation time. I get the impression he's the sort of rider who has to have everything going right for him to do well. Some discouraging results, he gets offside with the crew and he goes into a downwards spiral, like Melandri in 2008.

Of course you can argue anything...no good if everyone agrees on everything! I'm only too happy we've all got our own opinions. People without them are generally boring fucks.

And Elias...you're right. He only won one race on a 990. And as good as that race was...he's done fuck all since. But I can't recall him being so off the pace as he is now. And I think Melandri lost the plot after trying to ride the Ducati at the back of the field for a year. He didn't get on the 800cc Honda after becoming a world champ in the year before.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Aoyama has been going about the same speed as Elias lately. I'd say it is a combination of satellite team not having the resources/knowledge to setup the bike and the customer Honda being a nail.

Aoyama has been a huge disappointment too. But I don't think you'll find the customer Honda is a nail mate. In fact...wouldn't mind betting it's not that far off the factory equipment.

[DidJit]

Yeah, barring the odd exception... all the best punters are ex 250 pilots.

I'm curious: what's the difference in approach to riding a MotoGP bike between riders coming from 250GP and WSBK? (Sounds like the start of a joke, doesn't it?) Is it that the 250GPs require maintaining/can maintain high corner speed, while WSBK bikes can/do rely more on the "point-and-squirt" technique (and the former technique translates better over to MotoGP than the latter)?

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'm curious: what's the difference in approach to riding a MotoGP bike between riders coming from 250GP and WSBK? (Sounds like the start of a joke, doesn't it?) Is it that the 250GPs require maintaining/can maintain high corner speed, while WSBK bikes can/do rely more on the "point-and-squirt" technique (and the former technique translates better over to MotoGP than the latter)?

Whilst I've never raced a Superbike, I've certainly tried to race a 250GP bike. I think Dovi said it best. Superbikes are also a lot softer and more forgiving to ride than GP bikes so they say. I can tell you that after racing a KR1SP reasonably successfully that a 250GP bike is NOTHING like a 250 Proddie bike to ride/race. The only thing they had in common was being two strokes, and learning to trust/ride the front tyre 100%.

[DidJit]

Ta. Different bikes, different techniques... Oh, that's just gonna open a whole can-o'-worms about how Stoner is able to ride a bike how it needs to be ridden and Rossi isn't willing to.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Ta. Different bikes, different techniques... Oh, that's just gonna open a whole can-o'-worms about how Stoner is able to ride a bike how it needs to be ridden and Rossi isn't willing to.

Cause Stoner is young and has everything to prove. Rossi is older and wiser and has nothing left to prove!

[gixerracer]

Cause Stoner is young and has everything to prove. Rossi is older and wiser and has nothing left to prove!

That and he has lost his mojo. BOOM

[Crasherfromwayback]

That and he has lost his mojo. BOOM

Think he's joining the long list of Ducati done overs mate?