How the fuck did he walk free?

[mashman]

What evidence do you have to establish her credibility?

He pled guilty.

[Mad-V2]

He must have really pissed her off to make her do that shit.
Surely she would understand what it would do to his life.
And if it was false accusation on her part, doesn't she get her time in court to face up to her actions (wasting the courts time/damaging his reputation)

[blackdog]

He pled guilty.

As part of a plea bargain to a lesser charge, an easy way out offered by the prosecution in return for the discharge because they couldn't prove their case and he would therefore not have to go through the whole process of defending the spurious charges!

You are a few pages behind aren't you.

[Number One]

Can't and won't read the whole thread.

All I need to know is that there was inappropriate sexual contact from an adult to a 'nappied up child'...I don't care what else there is to it - that is sick and the fact he gets discharged without conviction is disgusting.

As for thinking there was no impact to the child... FUCK YOU JUDGE CUNNINGHAM!!!

[mashman]

As part of a plea bargain to a lesser charge, an easy way out offered by the prosecution in return for the discharge because they couldn't prove their case and he would therefore not have to go through the whole process of defending the spurious charges!

You are a few pages behind aren't you.

Don't get me wrong, I take your point... But he hasn't denied it and why did he plea bargain if the prosecution had nothing?

Aye, missed a couple of pages

[blackdog]

Don't get me wrong, I take your point... But he hasn't denied it and why did he plea bargain if the prosecution had nothing?

Aye, missed a couple of pages

In short, to avoid the whole process being strung out, and probably to spare his daughter from having to go through the whole process. Alternatively he was guilty as sin, but that just goes again with what I am trying to say. I am not willing to string him up as some others here are so keen to do because NONE of us actually knows what, if anything actually happened.

I hope no-one is taking me the wrong way either. All I am saying is that I don't have any evidence either way and neither does anyone else in this thread (to my knowledge please anyone correct me if I'm wrong there), and I won't crucify someone merely on the way it has been reported in the papers.

[munster]

Let me point out, I fucking hate Paedo's and would have no hesitation in lining up for the job of executioner if ever the appropriate penalty was introduced for this horrid crime, but I do have a few comments.

Ever blown raspberries in your daughters belly button? God help you if that was misconstrued

Yes, often. Sons too. Did it to my niece today.

He had no other reason to be there as he didn't know any of the kids

Might have been missing his own daughter . . and not in that way.

I recall some years ago when my daughter was at High School I took her shopping and as we walked along the street she took my arm. We were amazed, (and amused) by the dirty looks we had aimed at us!

+ 1

He pled guilty.

and if I ever accidentaly shot a hunting mate, or ran over one of my kids / nephews / neices in the driveway I would plead quilty too. Would I have meant to do it? No! Would I feel like shit for doing it? Yes! Should I be sent to jail? Definitely!

[Sarah311]

I'm sure there are plenty of things we don't know

What strikes me as weird is the judge saying they weren't sure of the effect on the child after seeing an interview, given the kid is 5 they wouldn't understand quite yet.
Just because they don't understand it doesn't make it any less disturbing

For the record I think it's pathetic he didn't get charged

As someone who interviews these children, I can assure you THEY UNDERSTAND.

I will venture he likes to travel, and being convicted of a sexual offence against a child - tends to make one not popular in other countries. Good to know his life will continue happily (sic)

BTW, he did get charged - he just didn't get convicted - even after admitting it.

[PrincessBandit]

Just seems strange a female judge would let something like that slide.
If it was someone that fit the profile of a pedo, they would be castrated in the court house.

haven't read all the other posts between this one I've quoted and the last, so sorry if others have already said what I'm about to say...

I too thought it highly unusual that a woman judge should have made this decision. We are not it possession of the full facts, and while I'm hesitant to say this... did his partner have a grudge against him? for all we know she may have had a snitcher on and "blown it out of proportion" to stitch him up. Btw, I have no idea who it is and therefore completely ignorant as to making a judgement about him.
I'm simply saying it's possible that his partner could be making things out to be much worse than they were, and if he was truly that drunk he may have accepted her word for it having no accurate recollection of events himself. Just suggesting it as a possibility before I get crucified here.

[rachprice]

I recall some years ago when my daughter was at High School I took her shopping and as we walked along the street she took my arm. We were amazed, (and amused) by the dirty looks we had aimed at us!

A couple of years ago I was walking the dog along the street not long after I moved here and a little girl, (about 7-8.) came rushing out to pat the dog. I heard her mother scream at her from inside not to talk to strangers. Funnily enough we have since become quite good friends. (Sorry for the hi-jack.)

No worries dude, it sucks hey!!!

As someone who interviews these children, I can assure you THEY UNDERSTAND

BTW, he did get charged - he just didn't get convicted - even after admitting it.

yeah being exposed to them myself I found the judges comment rather odd!

And yeah have already been dragged over the coals for that mistake, ha! convicted is what I meant!

[blackdog]

haven't read all the other posts between this one I've quoted and the last, so sorry if others have already said what I'm about to say...

I too thought it highly unusual that a woman judge should have made this decision. We are not it possession of the full facts, and while I'm hesitant to say this... did his partner have a grudge against him? for all we know she may have had a snitcher on and "blown it out of proportion" to stitch him up. Btw, I have no idea who it is and therefore completely ignorant as to making a judgement about him.
I'm simply saying it's possible that his partner could be making things out to be much worse than they were, and if he was truly that drunk he may have accepted her word for it having no accurate recollection of events himself. Just suggesting it as a possibility before I get crucified here.

No crucifixion here. A completely reasonable post IMO.

[mashman]

In short, to avoid the whole process being strung out, and probably to spare his daughter from having to go through the whole process. Alternatively he was guilty as sin, but that just goes again with what I am trying to say. I am not willing to string him up as some others here are so keen to do because NONE of us actually knows what, if anything actually happened.

I hope no-one is taking me the wrong way either. All I am saying is that I don't have any evidence either way and neither does anyone else in this thread (to my knowledge please anyone correct me if I'm wrong there), and I won't crucify someone merely on the way it has been reported in the papers.

Half of me agrees with you. The judge let him go and wouldn't do so without very good reason... but he still shoulda seen the inside of a cell imho... the offence was the offence.

[blackdog]

Half of me agrees with you. The judge let him go and wouldn't do so without very good reason... but he still shoulda seen the inside of a cell imho... the offence was the offence.

Look, if he actually did what was accused then he should have been sentenced to a whole lot worse than imprisonment. I am risking harping on but, we just don't know!

If this was a complete fabrication by an angry and/or disturbed wife with an axe to grind, does he still then deserve to see the inside of a cell?

When you get on the wrong side of someone who is willing to tell stories about what you have supposedly done (fact or fiction) I will be there championing your cause until it is proved to me that you are guilty.

In the case we are discussing I have seen no such proof. What is reported in New Zealands papers I have long since learned to take with a pinch of salt. As has everyone else on this forum when it suits them.

[blackdog]

All I need to know is that there was inappropriate sexual contact from an adult to a 'nappied up child'!

How exactly do you KNOW that?

[short-circuit]

Fantastic news we can disband the police force and will patrol the streets as he is able to establish guilt just by the way someone looks, law enforcement will never be the same again

He has amazing mind reading capabilities too:

What if we did nothing coz we didn't want to look paranoid, and he ended up taking one of those kids? he looked like he wanted too.

Mad-V2 might be wasted out there on the streets. With his high powers of deduction he could be better suited to detective work.