Rossi the moaner!

**crazy man** · 4th September 2011, 15:43

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

He's hardly the only guy to have crashed the Ducati though eh. Just one of the only ones to win on it...

its just a shame its so far behine! need all the bikes out there

**Crasherfromwayback** · 4th September 2011, 15:44

Originally Posted by BMWST?

thats all casey wanted too but in the meantime he was riding ht e tyres of it

And beating his head against a brick wall so it would seem.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 4th September 2011, 15:45

Originally Posted by crazy man

its just a shame its so far behine! need all the bikes out there

I'm with you there. I'd actually love to see Rossi giving Stoner and Lorenzo a hurry up, as there's no love lost between them, and it'd be a great watch.

**merv** · 4th September 2011, 15:47

What stands out this year is that Honda and Yamaha have, it appears, bloody good bikes. To me it was more strange when Honda wasn't on top of its game when the 800s first came along as they had done such a good job with the 990 in the first place. Rossi should have got a job back with Honda instead of wasting his time with Ducati.

I like they way Honda leads the pack most times - many years ago with Mick it was big bang, then back to screamer, all just to lead the others silly. Then they did the V5. Now its seamless gearboxes - Honda's is working a treat - Ducati tries to copy and Rossi complains of getting false neutrals. Honda always tries different stuff first with much success and I am sure old man Honda is smiling from his grave again while his company's engines are a picture of reliability and speed.

Rossi and Burgess have let us all down this time with their lack of success and it makes it look like it was more the Japanese that created the successes while they took the credit in the past.

All credit to Casey though he is riding like a champion and doing it wisely with a setup and tyre choice that lasts the race distance. With Dani going reasonably well the Repsol team this year must be a good outfit and likewise the Yamaha factory team as both of its bikes are turning very good speed now too.

**crazy man** · 4th September 2011, 15:48

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

I'm with you there. I'd actually love to see Rossi giving Stoner and Lorenzo a hurry up, as there's no love lost between them, and it'd be a great watch.

l think ducati need to take 2 steps back to take 1 step ford

**Crasherfromwayback** · 4th September 2011, 15:52

Originally Posted by crazy man

l think ducati need to take 2 steps back to take 1 step ford

Eye. Do what the late great John Britten wouldn't do. Admit defeat...and put a fucking run of the mill frame in the fucking thing! Although I think the biggest issue with the Britten was the front end? Shaun? I know in talking with Loren Pool he thought it was shite.

**BMWST?** · 4th September 2011, 15:54

Originally Posted by merv

What stands out this year is that Honda and Yamaha have, it appears, bloody good bikes. To me it was more strange when Honda wasn't on top of its game when the 800s first came along as they had done such a good job with the 990 in the first place. Rossi should have got a job back with Honda instead of wasting his time with Ducati.

I like they way Honda leads the pack most times - many years ago with Mick it was big bang, then back to screamer, all just to lead the others silly. Then they did the V5. Now its seamless gearboxes - Honda's is working a treat - Ducati tries to copy and Rossi complains of getting false neutrals. Honda always tries different stuff first with much success and I am sure old man Honda is smiling from his grave again while his company's engines are a picture of reliability and speed.

Rossi and Burgess have let us all down this time with their lack of success and it makes it look like it was more the Japanese that created the successes while they took the credit in the past.

All credit to Casey though he is riding like a champion and doing it wisely with a setup and tyre choice that lasts the race distance. With Dani going reasonably well the Repsol team this year must be a good outfit and likewise the Yamaha factory team as both of its bikes are turning very good speed now too.

I dont look at it as Rossi and Burgess letting us down.I think this is a reflection of how extreme these bikes are and how easy it is to get the basic package "wrong".

**Crasherfromwayback** · 4th September 2011, 15:54

Originally Posted by merv

I like they way Honda leads the pack most times - many years ago with Mick it was big bang, then back to screamer, all just to lead the others silly. Then they did the V5. Now its seamless gearboxes - Honda's is working a treat - Ducati tries to copy and Rossi complains of getting false neutrals. Honda always tries different stuff first with much success and I am sure old man Honda is smiling from his grave again while his company's engines are a picture of reliability and speed.

It pains me to admit that Honda have more often than not shown the way Merv.

How come Rossi's Ducati is the only one getting false neutrals anyway? Nicky Hayden doesn't seem to be getting any...

**crazy man** · 4th September 2011, 15:58

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Eye. Do what the late great John Britten wouldn't do. Admit defeat...and put a fucking run of the mill frame in the fucking thing! Although I think the biggest issue with the Britten was the front end? Shaun? I know in talking with Loren Pool he thought it was shite.

the thing is if they dont they will lose a great racer the end. they maybe on to something like john britten but his wes done at a time were it just worked cause of the time but now days it maybe years away to get it realy right

**LBD** · 4th September 2011, 15:58

Originally Posted by BMWST?

i meant the individual rider or team member...

I know what you meant...I said I was being a smartarse

But yea...I am a Stoner and Ducati supporter...when they went their separate ways and Rossi went to Ducati, I have had to learn to split loyalties...Cannot say I am a Rossi fan, though no denying his talent...his character grates on me and some of his riding style (Overtaking) is too agressive and putting others and himself at risk.

As a Stoner supporter...yes really enjoying watch Rossi wallowing in it with the comments he made last year regarding Stoner not trying hard enough coming back to bite him

As a Ducati Bike suporter...I was sorry to see Stoner leave, if any rider could win on the Duc it was Stoner. I don't think Duc Corporate did the right thing by Stoner offering Rossi so much more $ as they are reputed to have done...Yes the Italians would like to see an Italian on an Italian bike clean up, but in pursuing that dream they have shot them selves in the foot

**Crasherfromwayback** · 4th September 2011, 16:07

Originally Posted by LBD

As a Ducati Bike suporter...I was sorry to see Stoner leave, if any rider could win on the Duc it was Stoner. I don't think Duc Corporate did the right thing by Stoner offering Rossi so much more $ as they are reputed to have done...Yes the Italians would like to see an Italian on an Italian bike clean up, but in pursuing that dream they have shot them selves in the foot

They also offered Lorenzo twice what they were paying Stoner to ride the bike while he was crook.

So much for loyalty eh...

**BMWST?** · 4th September 2011, 16:42

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Eye. Do what the late great John Britten wouldn't do. Admit defeat...and put a fucking run of the mill frame in the fucking thing! Although I think the biggest issue with the Britten was the front end? Shaun? I know in talking with Loren Pool he thought it was shite.

so did Robert Holden I beleive

**LBD** · 4th September 2011, 16:53

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

They also offered Lorenzo twice what they were paying Stoner to ride the bike while he was crook.

So much for loyalty eh...

Did not know that about Lorenzo....loyalty to their own obviously

And Duc were so proud soon after Stoner's win...I did a factory tour and there was a 3 story high banner..."Welcome to the Stoner Age" Then again the following year with "Stoner Age II"

Its funny though, when in Italy and I was wearing a Duc shirt...there seemed little eneral public brand loyalty...it was all rider...they were not slow to voice that Rossi losing meant more than Ducati winning.