How the fuck did he walk free?

[Number One]

Think she meant the children understand no?

Ooops my bad - I thought she meant the interviewers. In that case....YES of course kids understand, just not in the same way as adults 'understand it'....that is the meaning they attach to it can be different - also part of why they may still want to see the person...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Ooops my bad - I thought she meant the interviewers. In that case....YES of course kids understand, just not in the same way as adults 'understand it'....that is the meaning they attach to it can be different - also part of why they may still want to see the person...

It could well be me being wrong, as I didn't read her post, just the bit you quoted.

But yeah...I reckon kids understand a shitload more than most adults give them credit for.

[Number One]

I reckon kids understand a shitload more than most adults give them credit for.

Sure do.

Actually one thing I have to say that this all throws up for me (other than the obvious of course) is that there is all this wasted energy on this guy and none on the victim.

Of course we don't want the poor poppet to have to deal with the media and the public and all that but why is it that the systems way of 'protecting the victim' with name suppression actually seems really only to ensure that it's the abuser who is protected. Also it's put a whole bunch of other people under suspicion. I'm not even sure who this guy is, I've seen various comments on various websites referring to several different guys now.

Name suppression is this country is a joke. How about name these buggers (when convicted I mean) and just suppress the details of the offending. The whole point of why child abuse is such a problem is that it's kept secret, it's swept under the carpet and these sick fuckers can fly under the radar and get themselves into positions where they could be a danger to kids.

Paedophilia is like alcoholism - there is no cure - you don't all of sudden stop being an alcoholic...involving a kid in sexytime is paedo behaviour.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Name suppression is this country is a joke. How about name these buggers (when convicted I mean) and just suppress the details of the offending. The whole point of why child abuse is such a problem is that it's kept secret, it's swept under the carpet and these sick fuckers can fly under the radar and get themselves into positions where they could be a danger to kids.

Paedophilia is like alcoholism - there is no cure - you don't all of sudden stop being an alcoholic...involving a kid in sexytime is paedo behaviour.

With you 100%. If I was a comedian here in NZ, I'd be spewing the guy hasn't been named. Oh...hang on...I am a comedian. Least I think I'm funny.

[ElCoyote]

pretty stunned here... "The offending cannot be seen as less serious because alcohol was a factor.''... so why isn't he in jail? because he makes people laugh? Tough bikkies, name him and jail him.

Where is Wikileaks when you need them?

[flyingcrocodile46]

Where is Wikileaks when you need them?

How about asking

[short-circuit]

How about asking

I'm telling on you








....cause you stepped on the garden and didn't say pardon,

I'm telling on you,

cause you shut the gate and made me late and turned me into a pancake

[Winston001]

How about asking

Wha?? Bill and Ben the Flowerpot Men. That old pulp - they ain't paedophiles. Well, at least Ben ain't. Hardly sport to pot them...

[Winston001]

Its a hard one yeah?

Its sad that in this day and age that many people easily jump to the conclusion that someone is a paedophile, any man with a young girl not known to be his daughter is almost always met with thoughts or accusations regarding his intentions.

Its sad, and often why many men choose to leave teaching

Well said, its a tragedy that these days any male must guard against being alone with a child.

I've saw sicko hanging out at the local park here staring at the kids playing.
I asked him which was his daughter to which he said "I don't have any kids"
I told him he shouldn't hang out round here as someone might get the wrong idea...

And again, well said. Completely the opposite to Rach above but as a father myself, I have to agree.

Paedophilia is a sickness which affects a few and they tend to be on the margins of society. Most don't realise they have a problem. Many never act out their desire. But they find themselves fascinated by the innocence of children and drawn to places where children gather. Playgrounds. Swimming pools. Netball.

All it takes is a chance opportunity, perhaps some alcohol enhanced courage, and a wish becomes fulfilled. And your child's life will never be the same.

I've dealt with and represented such men. I have daughters who are gymnasts. I've seen lone men watching.

So I agree with Max. Its possible to be polite in such situations, nothing wrong with making it known children are watched out for.

[Banditbandit]

Name and shame him!! Nobody should get away with that sicko shit!
People like that should be made to have PEDO branded on their face.

He was given name supression to protect his daughter .. pretty standard in NZ law ... Naming people convicted of incest NEVER happens in Godzone so the victims of incest are not idientified ..

However, I couldn't believe he wasn't convicted ...

[SS90]

He was given name supression to protect his daughter .. pretty standard in NZ law ... Naming people convicted of incest NEVER happens in Godzone so the victims of incest are not idientified ..

However, I couldn't believe he wasn't convicted ...

I suspect he was offered consideration for a discharge, as I am guessing there are many disputed facts in the case, which would make for a drawn out case and horror for all involved.... You may find the complainants Mother may have, in her trauma, exaggerate certain points that may be material to the case....... The truth is we don't know, and never will........

Think about this, all you people who want him branded, sodomised, boiled in oil, then string up by his nut sack.... For someone to be discharged with out conviction on a child sex case, that they plead guilty to would have to be the rarest of the rare..... Indictaing to a reasonable person that there are facts we are not privy to.

Judges are held accountable, and the Judge will have to give clear reasons as to WHY he was discharged.

For what it is worth I would be happy to make a career from skinning kiddy fiddlers alive, hell, I would do it for free, but, the fact that a Judge, a Female one at that, discharged him, makes me think that this particular guy does not represent a danger to Children.

Judges simply don't make a habit of freeing Paedos "on a whim", they tend to lock them up as long as they can.....

[Katman]

I've saw sicko hanging out at the local park here staring at the kids playing.
I asked him which was his daughter to which he said "I don't have any kids"
I told him he shouldn't hang out round here as someone might get the wrong idea, to which he stupidly said "What you gonna do about it?"
I called the police and followed him to his house taunting him but the police never showed up.

Like blackdog, I don't have kids and am not likely to ever have any.

Heaven forbid that later in life a moment of melancholy should find me sitting in a park, watching children play, wondering what might have been.

Sometimes it's hard to work out just who the sickos really are.

[oldrider]

From an old persons perspective:

The school across the road from us was closed some time back .... I miss the sound of the children in the playground.

While in Christchurch waiting for my wife at an appointment in the hospital, I went for a walk amongst the mayhem that used to be the CBD.

Close to the Avon and in amongst the closed off area was a school and the kids were out to play.

The sound from the school yard eerily whispered it's music out through the rubble like a magic flute!

It was a beautiful sound to hear especially in that situation.

I felt like going closer and just watching the children at play for a moment!

Alas, I just moved on and continued my walk.

When I related this to my family later, they were horrified that if I had gone and watched the and listened to the kids at play, I might have been arrested. FFS!

It seems we are automatically considered perverts as we become older!

What the hell has our country become!

It is beyond me how anybody can see children as sex objects in any way whatsoever!

How the comedian in question failed to be convicted on the evidence presented is beyond me!

All other innocent comedian's get an automatic conviction from the name suppression, while the perpetrator walks free!

[Edbear]

It's a tuffy for sure! Whenever I am out with my grandson and have to take him to the toilet it does cross my mind what people may be thinking to see an older (!) gentleman leading a young child into the loo! It sucks but it is the way society has become, I guess.

And I understand your feelings about the kids at play, too. I love watching them and the other day on my walk around the eastury, it passes the back field of the local College and there was one young girl running around just on the other side of the fence. I wasn't game to greet her or speak to her, as I was again, a lone older gentleman walking along the walkway, taking pictures of the scenery. I thought how sad society has become that we daren't innocently interact with children lest we are suspected of being peodophiles!

[Jdogg]

He was leaning against a fence staring at little girls including mine, in a small play ground the size of a tennis court. He had no other reason to be there as he didn't know any of the kids, and he looked like a sicko. Also when I rung the police while he was standing in front of me, he walked away instead of staying to defend himself.
So me and my partner being the only adults there thought we should make the area safe before we left the other three 4 - 7 year olds there alone (not our kids, were there when we got there).
Maybe you should do a search on how many registered sex offenders lurk in your area.

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