Speeding tickets. Why the angst?

[Parlane]

You think reducing crashes is the Govts point? It's all about the money, money, money just listen to Judith Collins, "revenue", "revenue", "revenue" & when "revenue is down" is it because after 10yrs the speed scam is starting to work? nope "technical difficulties with cameras". They know the propaganda they spew is total bullshit, they also know it's the easiest way to scam money from 'the people' due to the high amount of idiots willing to believe their propaganda, till enough people wise up we're stuck with it.

I'd rather pay more in taxes if I knew it meant they weren't setting up speed traps in places where 110km is safe (Not that any speed is safe anywhere).

To fund the loss in revenue of course!

But I don't totally agree that it is all propaganda.

[Scuba_Steve]

But I don't totally agree that it is all propaganda.

Maybee calling it "all propaganda." is a step too far, but u get what I mean it's definitely more about the money than it is about safety.

[Zedder]

You think reducing crashes is the Govts point? It's all about the money, money, money just listen to Judith Collins, "revenue", "revenue", "revenue" & when "revenue is down" is it because after 10yrs the speed scam is starting to work? nope "technical difficulties with cameras". They know the propaganda they spew is total bullshit, they also know it's the easiest way to scam money from 'the people' due to the high amount of idiots willing to believe their propaganda, till enough people wise up we're stuck with it.

I do believe it's about saving lives and making roads safe for the public to travel on. But it's also about things like the economy suffering dramatically if there was mayhem on the roads.

Extrapolating that out further, imagine if people wouldn't buy cars or motorbikes because it would be far too dangerous to use them on the roads.

[Parlane]

I do believe it's about saving lives and making roads safe for the public to travel on. But it's also about things like the economy suffering dramatically if there was mayhem on the roads.

Extrapolating that out further, imagine if people wouldn't buy cars or motorbikes because it would be far too dangerous to use them on the roads.

Invent teleportation.
Fixed.

[Zedder]

Invent teleportation.
Fixed.

But then there'd be no point in having a motorbike.

Speaking of which, I'm going for a ride now.

[Parlane]

But then there'd be no point in having a motorbike.

Speaking of which, I'm going for a ride now.

Empty abandoned "race tracks" that stretch around the country...

[Ocean1]

I suppose it's about what you believe in at the end of the day.

It is.

In this case it's a clear choice between self determination vs mindless conformity to a failed solution to a fabricated problem.

But feel free to choose.

[Zedder]

Empty abandoned "race tracks" that stretch around the country...

Right, after a bit of a blast around the countryside I'm ready for more discussion.

If the roads were abandoned they wouldn't be fit to ride on due to no money being spent on their upkeep.

[slofox]

Right, after a bit of a blast around the countryside I'm ready for more discussion.

If the roads were abandoned they wouldn't be fit to ride on due to no money being spent on their upkeep.

In which case we'd all have to buy adventure bikes.

[Parlane]

Right, after a bit of a blast around the countryside I'm ready for more discussion.

If the roads were abandoned they wouldn't be fit to ride on due to no money being spent on their upkeep.

Would last quite a while if it was only bikes allowed. It's the trucks that do the most damage.

Would have to keep ducatilover off the roads otherwise his wheelies will destroy em!

[Zedder]

It is.

In this case it's a clear choice between self determination vs mindless conformity to a failed solution to a fabricated problem.

But feel free to choose.

I take it you don't get fines or if you do you don't pay them.

[rastuscat]

In this case it's a clear choice between self determination vs mindless conformity to a failed solution to a fabricated problem.

Might I suggest a third option.

Accept that when operating a vehicle we are interacting with the rest of the road users out there, and we have a responsibility to not adversely effect their safety. Similarly, we reasonably expect the rest of the road users not to adversely effect our safety.

Works for me.

[scumdog]

Yeah, it's bad enough that we have to defensively assume every other road user is a "lowest common denominator" driver .

Well you'ld be a mug to credit them with a higher level of proficiency before they indicate proof of it.

Isn't the old motorcyclists mantra somehtig along the line of "Treat every other road user as an idiot out to kill you with their incompetence" or something similar???

[rastuscat]

This thread was started as I wanted to hear some views about why the speed thing is so forward in our thinking.

It seems because so many of us do it, and expect to have a right to do so. Justification after justification.

Thanks all for the thoughts. Negative or not, it's enlightening, and not entirely out of line with my own thinking.

Donuts.

[Zedder]

In which case we'd all have to buy adventure bikes.

But would there be a speed limit if the roads didn't officially exist?