Speeding tickets. Why the angst?

[scumdog]

Given that so many people haven't received a speed ticket, I guess that means there are a lot of slow learners out there.

Tactful

Very tactful

I would have said dumb-arses.

[Parlane]

Nope, almost but not quite right.

A person is only guilty of an infringement upon having been declared so by a JP or judge, or having paid the fine. Until then it is simply an allegation.

But I see your point. In the real world, taking a day off to sit in court and defend a ticket is onerous. I'm sure lots of people just pay the fine because it's easier to do that than invoke their rights.

Yep, I would lose more than the cost of the ticket by not going to work. And my pride isn't that big. Also, I normally deserve them

I don't like the fact that "infringements" against you are upheld by the officer's word against yours. And there has definitely been cases where the officers word was not the truth. (Sucks to be that guy)

[scumdog]

Yep, I would lose more than the cost of the ticket by not going to work. And my pride isn't that big. Also, I normally deserve them

I don't like the fact that "infringements" against you are upheld by the officer's word against yours. And there has definitely been cases where the officers word was not the truth. (Sucks to be that guy)

Some of us try to balance that up with heaps of compliance tickets, warnings and tickets for speeds reasonably over the limit.

But don't tell others that.

[Parlane]

Some of us try to balance that up with heaps of compliance tickets, warnings and tickets for speeds reasonably over the limit.

But don't tell others that.

No one would believe me if I did!

[Scuba_Steve]

I suspect that the '27%' you mention includes a shitload of people that got more than one ticket for speeding (there must be - I didn't get one)

So in fact it could have been 11.5% or less couldn't it?? couldn't it?

What has also failed to be taken into calculation tho is not all NZ population drive I'd guess only 40-60%??? (Don't know where to find that info) So a good percentage of the driving population must get scamed

Ah c'mon skoobersteve, check out what constitutes a 'crime' under NZ law...

This what you after...
crime means an offence for which the offender may be proceeded against by indictment

Nope, almost but not quite right.

A person is only guilty of an infringement upon having been declared so by a JP or judge, or having paid the fine. Until then it is simply an allegation.

But I see your point. In the real world, taking a day off to sit in court and defend a ticket is onerous. I'm sure lots of people just pay the fine because it's easier to do that than invoke their rights.

Must be another difference between the 2 Islands, it's almost impossible to walk into a court innocent up here, but like I've said before IMO the South Island does still have some justice left in the system... Don't go losing it ay

[Ocean1]

Only in the eyes of those affected by it some would say...


But can you direct me to the facts that state 'a quarter of the population get fined or have their freedom restricted' please??

Can't be fuckt. Let's put it to the vote instead, eh? All those who were affected by heavy handed nitpickery last year vs those who think progressively onerous enforcement's a good idea.

[rastuscat]

Can't be fuckt. Let's put it to the vote instead, eh? All those who were affected by heavy handed nitpickery last year vs those who think progressively onerous enforcement's a good idea.

Post your results alongside a poll asking Popos how many wankers they have had to deal with who have claimed to be innocent of the things they have just been seen doing.

Getting a bit over this.

[ducatilover]

This thread blows.
Scummy has put the cops down more than everyone else.

Fucking sensible KB.

[Jack Miller]

can you direct me to the facts that state 'a quarter of the population get fined or have their freedom restricted' please??

"Police ticket issuance peaked at the equivalent of 27% of the population (over 15 years) in 2004"
Since the commencement of the 2010 Road Safety Strategy in 2003 the following numbers of tickets have been issued:
2003 825000
2004 875000
2005 740000
2006 720000
2007 690000
2008 770000
"Road safety is the only safety field in New Zealand treated as a crime. Each year Police issue speeding tickets to the equivalent of 20% of the population over 15 years old. ...What sort of 'crime' is so universal that 20% of the population has committed it each year? When even the then Commissioner of Police (Rob Robinson) unintentionally becomes an 'offender' ..."
Saving Ourselves - A Discussion Paper on Issues for the 2020 New Zealand Land Transport Safety Strategy. September 2009. Automobile Association.

[scumdog]

"Police ticket issuance peaked at the equivalent of 27% of the population (over 15 years) in 2004"
Since the commencement of the 2010 Road Safety Strategy in 2003 the following numbers of tickets have been issued:
2003 825000
2004 875000
2005 740000
2006 720000
2007 690000
2008 770000
"Road safety is the only safety field in New Zealand treated as a crime. Each year Police issue speeding tickets to the equivalent of 20% of the population over 15 years old. ...What sort of 'crime' is so universal that 20% of the population has committed it each year? When even the then Commissioner of Police (Rob Robinson) unintentionally becomes an 'offender' ..."
Saving Ourselves - A Discussion Paper on Issues for the 2020 New Zealand Land Transport Safety Strategy. September 2009. Automobile Association.

Yeah, lets just ignore the 'equivalent' part eh....

Sheesh, it's hard to get good trolls these days...

[Parlane]

"Police ticket issuance peaked at the equivalent of 27% of the population (over 15 years) in 2004"
Since the commencement of the 2010 Road Safety Strategy in 2003 the following numbers of tickets have been issued:
2003 825000
2004 875000
2005 740000
2006 720000
2007 690000
2008 770000
"Road safety is the only safety field in New Zealand treated as a crime. Each year Police issue speeding tickets to the equivalent of 20% of the population over 15 years old. ...What sort of 'crime' is so universal that 20% of the population has committed it each year? When even the then Commissioner of Police (Rob Robinson) unintentionally becomes an 'offender' ..."
Saving Ourselves - A Discussion Paper on Issues for the 2020 New Zealand Land Transport Safety Strategy. September 2009. Automobile Association.

Don't forget Helen Clarke's driver's fun speeding times

[scumdog]

This thread blows.
Scummy has put the cops down more than everyone else.

Fucking sensible KB.

NIDGAF!!

[ducatilover]

Yeah, lets just ignore the 'equivalent' part eh....

Sheesh, it's hard to get good trolls these days...

This is no fun

Let's start one about uppity lawyers.

[Jack Miller]

Unfortunately I don't think it would matter what you say Rtc, the mere fact that you're a traffic cop to some people means you're on "the other side" and are fighting an uphill battle from the start.

I agree that deploying crime and punishment methodologies on road safety is fundamentally flawed and that therefore the Highway Patrol is on a hiding to nothing. As the AA put it: "Police cannot prevent many crashes because many crashes are not caused by illegal activity." However, I don't think they're

on the other side

apart from a few exceptions like ticketing against the speed limit in overtaking lanes which actually makes things worse and is arguably against their own policy anyway. I don't think Rtc is one of those who do make things worse and he has many positive ideas & thoughts. So I won't agree that Rtc is on the other side, but if he wants to really do something effective towards rider safety he has to get out of the crime & punishment system. I've tried to encourage him to carve out his own path and think he could make a difference if he did.

[Jack Miller]

Yeah, lets just ignore the 'equivalent' part eh....

Or let's not ignore it, whatever the exact figure is it is enough for Rtc to perceive a lot of angst about it.

What I ask you not to ignore but rather to think about is this bit:

Road safety is the only safety field in New Zealand treated as a crime.