MotoGP Aragon

[Robert Taylor]

How would you explain this then? Top speeds at Mugello.

1 27 Casey STONER AUS Repsol Honda Team Honda 322.3 1'48.034
2 11 Ben SPIES USA Yamaha Factory Racing Yamaha 319.2 1'48.479 0.445 / 0.445
3 58 Marco SIMONCELLI ITA San Carlo Honda Gresini Honda 321.0 1'48.485 0.451 / 0.006
4 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Repsol Honda Team Honda 324.8 1'48.694 0.660 / 0.209
5 1 Jorge LORENZO SPA Yamaha Factory Racing Yamaha 323.1 1'48.756 0.722 / 0.062

Because Yamaha have likely done what they did last year when running short of engines, ''turned down'' the power on them

[NZsarge]

How would you explain this then? Top speeds at Mugello.

1 27 Casey STONER AUS Repsol Honda Team Honda 322.3 1'48.034
2 11 Ben SPIES USA Yamaha Factory Racing Yamaha 319.2 1'48.479 0.445 / 0.445
3 58 Marco SIMONCELLI ITA San Carlo Honda Gresini Honda 321.0 1'48.485 0.451 / 0.006
4 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Repsol Honda Team Honda 324.8 1'48.694 0.660 / 0.209
5 1 Jorge LORENZO SPA Yamaha Factory Racing Yamaha 323.1 1'48.756 0.722 / 0.062

Probably drafting a Honda at the time , fact remains Yamaha's were down on top speed at Aragon. Perhaps it had something to do with the entry on to the striaght at Mugello, could have been gearing, any number of reasons. Yamah's might have had their last fresh engine in... what ever. Yamaha's rarely top any speed traps.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Because Yamaha have likely done what they did last year when running short of engines, ''turned down'' the power on them

Or the engines are just getting a tad 'tired'. Odd though...it was at the beginning of the season that Lorenzo was complaining most about the Honda's speed advantage.

Probably drafting a Honda at the time , fact remains Yamaha's were down on top speed at Aragon. Perhaps it had something to do with the entry on to the striaght at Mugello, could have been gearing, any number of reasons. Yamahas might have had their last fresh engine in... what ever. Yamaha's rarely top any speed traps.

I agree that the Yamaha's were down on top speed this weekend. The Ducati's were all faster than them too. Didn't help them beat the Yamaha's though did it? Why do people get so wound up about top speed? Carl Crutchlow on his slow Yamaha was able to beat Rossi's much faster Ducati.

Laguna Seca has nothing at all to do with top speed, or even speed. Yet the same guy won that round.

Maybe...as much as the Stoner haters don't want to admit it...he's simply faster than the rest are?

He's obviously more versatile.

[BMWST?]

Because Yamaha have likely done what they did last year when running short of engines, ''turned down'' the power on them

maybe it was actually about fuel consumption,casey seemed to run out right at the end

[Brian d marge]

Oval pistons are a bit radical and (back then) new. Yes you can argue it was simply a solution to the problem of the restriction in the number of cyls allowed.

The corporate structure has change. I doubt there will be anymore oval pistons , it was a different factory then

you will more likely get what the old men. think that the young men from shibuya want

Stephen

[NZsarge]

I agree that the Yamaha's were down on top speed this weekend. The Ducati's were all faster than them too. Didn't help them beat the Yamaha's though did it? Why do people get so wound up about top speed? Carl Crutchlow on his slow Yamaha was able to beat Rossi's much faster Ducati.

Laguna Seca has nothing at all to do with top speed, or even speed. Yet the same guy won that round.

Maybe...as much as the Stoner haters don't want to admit it...he's simply faster than the rest are?

He's obviously more versatile.

Sounds like you're trying to ask people to believe that the Honda isn't the fastest all 'round bike on the track at the moment....
Top speed? A speed advantage is just that, an advantage, a pretty handy one to have too. Makes it a whole lot easier to pass on a decent straight than drafting alone..
I'm not hating on the wingnut convict, he's obviously riding the Honda the best on average at the moment and good on him.
The other issue that a few riders obviously come up against was rear grip, Rossi and Spies at least were going backwards in the latter parts of the race...

[gixerracer]

Sounds like you're trying to ask people to believe that the Honda isn't the fastest all 'round bike on the track at the moment....
Top speed? A speed advantage is just that, an advantage, a pretty handy one to have too. Makes it a whole lot easier to pass on a decent straight than drafting alone..
I'm not hating on the wingnut convict, he's obviously riding the Honda the best on average at the moment and good on him.
The other issue that a few riders obviously come up against was rear grip, Rossi and Spies at least were going backwards in the latter parts of the race...

It isn't other wise Semenjelly and that other guy on the 3rd factory Honda would be at the front all the time and they are not. Stoner is the only guy dominating and he would do the same on the yamaha

[Crasherfromwayback]

Sounds like you're trying to ask people to believe that the Honda isn't the fastest all 'round bike on the track at the moment....
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Not at all mate. It's blinding obvious it's the best bike out there this year. Like the Yamaha was last year. It's how it goes. But no one seems to mention that when Rossi won his titles with Honda he had by far the best bike.

[NZsarge]

It isn't other wise Semenjelly and that other guy on the 3rd factory Honda would be at the front all the time and they are not. Stoner is the only guy dominating and he would do the same on the yamaha

Ever thought they wouldn't be as far up as they are if it weren't riding a Bland mobile? And no.... He wouldn't be dominating on the Yamaha if he were riding it, that's just a silly statement.

Not at all mate. It's blinding obvious it's the best bike out there this year. Like the Yamaha was last year. It's how it goes. But no one seems to mention that when Rossi won his titles with Honda he had by far the best bike.

Not at all mate. Rossi was at times on the fastest machine when winning his many many many championships but not always. That said he's 'usually' been riding the fastest bike because he Burgess and crew have developed it to be that way. You can't really say that of Stoner this year...

[Crasherfromwayback]

. That said he's 'usually' been riding the fastest bike be he Burgess and crew have developed it to be that way. You can't really say that of Stoner this year...

Well guess we'll see how well Stoner can develop the new 1000. But I do find it odd that Rossi and Burgess aren't making any headway yet. In fact...often out qualified by rookies on customer bikes. Hardly the best display of development I've seen

[merv]

Yes with all the success he's had I always thought Burgess was the man, so what's happened?

[NZsarge]

Well guess we'll see how well Stoner can develop the new 1000. But I do find it odd that Rossi and Burgess aren't making any headway yet. In fact...often out qualified by rookies on customer bikes. Hardly the best display of development I've seen

Lets not forget that Ducati have gone down a development path that's boxed them into a set up that's obviously irretrievable. The moment that I heard (while Stoner was still with them) that they were using a CF chassis even I knew that was a no no... Go back to a trellis frame or better still get with the times and start building alloy chassis' for you GP bike Ducati! Don't you think that if CF were a viable option the Japanese would have done it by now?
Rossi's qualifying is disappointing for sure but where are all these Ducati rider's that out qualify him come the end of the race? Oh, i'll tell you... 9 times out of 10 they are behind him, Hayden included.
I lived in hope that Rossi and crew might be able to develop something out the Ducati chassis but every one else has move on... even Suzuki! Unfortunately my worst fears have been realized by Rossi going to Ducati, like a a lot of other rider's on the GP circuit they are trying to deal with Ducati's shit idea's, they (Ducati) need to forget this year and develop (with a company that can actually make them) an alloy chassis and start looking towards 2012 or probably more like 2013 championship year.

[Crasherfromwayback]

(Ducati) need to forget this year and develop (with a company that can actually make them) an alloy chassis and start looking towards 2012 or probably more like 2013 championship year.

Agreed 100%. Time to ditch the pride.

[trustme]

They have already flagged this year. Alloy frames & Rossi starting from pit lane tells us that.
The problems with the Duc are so fundamental that Burgess / Rossi fiddling around the edges found they were going nowhere, hence the alloy frame.
A trellis frame is not the answer, it is very hard to get uniform rigidity in them. They are not uniformly repeatable so each frame handles differently. You & I might not notice it but Stoner & co sure do

[pritch]

s. But no one seems to mention that when Rossi won his titles with Honda he had by far the best bike.

Now that is just flat out wrong. You need to do some research Grasshopper.

Have you see the movie "Faster"?

There were other guys had Hondas, and when he went to Yamaha he initially had the second best bike. He still won.