Don Brash: "We should decriminalise marijuana"

[puddytat]

Yeah, it was the blatant attempt at vote buying that annoyed me....this guy will sell his soul for power(probably already has)
Personally I think it should be decrimanlised or as Mashy said not enforced & not legalised, mainly because most of the smokers I know would just like to have a few plants amongst the petunias & rose bushes...
As for people selling it, well its got to be a large source of under the table income going into the economy & the Govt. will be getting tax back from it already, albeit indirectly.
And what does John Banks think of this? FFS ....

[mashman]

And what does John Banks think of this?

I'd love to know the answer to that? Has he given one?

.... aaaaaaand almost on que Fake ecstasy agitates drug users... which is what happens when your "producers" are left to their own devices.

[Zedder]

Dave? Dave's not here man!

[MisterD]

Yeah, it was the blatant attempt at vote buying that annoyed me....this guy will sell his soul for power(probably already has)

Bullshit is this vote-buying. It's 100% consistent with the principles that ACT was founded on.

[Usarka]

This is from the ex-reserve bank governor who didn't know how asset sale prices were calculated.

[Mad-V2]

I'm all for decriminalisation of cannabis, but I hate Mr Brash!
This is why I joined these guys http://www.alcp.org.nz/
I don't see why everyone is against a weed that has not directly killed a single person in human history READ HERE.
Alcohol is far more dangerous than weed, and yet we sell it in supermarkets and currently advertise it in the rugby world cup to kids all over the world WTF!!!!
How many pot smokers do you know get stoned at a mates place, then go home and beat the shit out of their wives or abuse their kids? I would take a guess at ZERO!!
But that shit goes on every other weekend when alcohol is concerned.
If you Overdose on weed you get really stoned and cant do much but sit and laugh about how wasted you are.
If you overdose on Alcohol you either die or end up seriously ill in hospital.
If you overdose on your prescription drugs from your GP you die or end up seriously ill in hospital.
P is part of a man made medication (Pseudoephedrine) that is sold openly in chemists throughout the world, but it's o.k coz it relieves hayfever and dulls the pain of colds, flu and headaches.
I'm pretty sure that drinking lots of water, eating correctly and plenty of rest will have a same if not better affect as these man made poison's.
But Ahh but who needs all that healthy shit when ya can buy some tiny pills made in a lab somewhere to mask the symptoms for 10 mins. GET REAL PEOPLE!!!
Man makes far more harmful drugs, chemicals and poisons than nature ever could, so whats so bad about a naturally occurring weed?!


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FTW!! VOTE ALCP
Fight the war!!!

[superman]

For the people saying it's just a vote grab and out of character... Decriminalisation of acts which only harm oneself are are right down a liberal parties alley. Personally I'm with them on that ideal, I think smokers of cigarettes are retards but I'd push for their right to smoke it.

The hole point of being liberal is every single person in society gets to make their own choice, the problem being of course everyone needs a fair and equal upbringing to make it truly work and not to cause class/race issues. Which are inevitable in any society, so they're barking up the imginary tree.

[Zedder]

I'm all for decriminalisation of cannabis, but I hate Mr Brash!
This is why I joined these guys http://www.alcp.org.nz/
I don't see why everyone is against a weed that has not directly killed a single person in human history READ HERE.
Alcohol is far more dangerous than weed, and yet we sell it in supermarkets and currently advertise it in the rugby world cup to kids all over the world WTF!!!!
How many pot smokers do you know get stoned at a mates place, then go home and beat the shit out of their wives or abuse their kids? I would take a guess at ZERO!!
But that shit goes on every other weekend when alcohol is concerned.
If you Overdose on weed you get really stoned and cant do much but sit and laugh about how wasted you are.
If you overdose on Alcohol you either die or end up seriously ill in hospital.
If you overdose on your prescription drugs from your GP you die or end up seriously ill in hospital.
P is part of a man made medication (Pseudoephedrine) that is sold openly in chemists throughout the world, but it's o.k coz it relieves hayfever and dulls the pain of colds, flu and headaches.
I'm pretty sure that drinking lots of water, eating correctly and plenty of rest will have a same if not better affect as these man made poison's.
But Ahh but who needs all that healthy shit when ya can buy some tiny pills made in a lab somewhere to mask the symptoms for 10 mins. GET REAL PEOPLE!!!
Man makes far more harmful drugs, chemicals and poisons than nature ever could, so whats so bad about a naturally occurring weed?!


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FTW!! VOTE ALCP
Fight the war!!!

Yep, overdoing alcohol is certainly a problem in our society. If it was invented today it would probably be made illegal.

And yes, the legalised pill pushers are pulling a con in a lot of areas.

As far as decriminalising weed goes; maybe, but it's a big step from there to making it actually legal which is what ALCP is going for.

but I'm not sure there's enough data of the long term affects of weed on people to say it's safe.

[Mad-V2]

Yep, overdoing alcohol is certainly a problem in our society. If it was invented today it would probably be made illegal.

And yes, the legalised pill pushers are pulling a con in a lot of areas.

As far as decriminalising weed goes; maybe, but it's a big step from there to making it actually legal which is what ALCP is going for.

but I'm not sure there's enough data of the long term affects of weed on people to say it's safe.

Weed has been widely used around the world since the 3rd millennium BC.
Is that a long enough time period to go by?
A friend of mine has smoked heavily every day for the last 38 years. he holds down a full time job, has 5 kids and is reasonably healthy considering he has smoked cigarettes almost the same amount of time.
How long do they test prescription medications before they are sold over the counter?
How long did they test the affects of alcohol before they sold that legally to people?
Why don't the government do studies on people who have used cannabis for years like my mate has to find out the long term affects?
Why can I go to a bottlestore and buy a bottle of vodka that could kill me if I drink it all in one night?
Why can't I smoke a few grams of weed to relax after working my arse off all day to support the government with the ridiculous amount of tax they pull from my wages every week.

WHY? WHY? WHY?!!!!!

[mashman]

but I'm not sure there's enough data of the long term affects of weed on people to say it's safe.

Asking anyone who has smoked the stuff over periods of years as to the long term affects might be a good place to start ... but there's a truck load of research out there... but that doesn't matter to TPTB because it's a political hot potato and everyone has been preprogrammed with drugs are bad mkay so just say no.

Here's a start from scissorhands... It seems to be getting VERY favourable results for Cancer patients... oh the irony. I miss scissorhands, another one of them thar free minds flying in the face of convention

[Zedder]

Weed has been widely used around the world since the 3rd millennium BC.
Is that a long enough time period to go by?
A friend of mine has smoked heavily every day for the last 38 years. he holds down a full time job, has 5 kids and is reasonably healthy considering he has smoked cigarettes almost the same amount of time.
How long do they test prescription medications before they are sold over the counter?
How long did they test the affects of alcohol before they sold that legally to people?
Why don't the government do studies on people who have used cannabis for years like my mate has to find out the long term affects?
Why can I go to a bottlestore and buy a bottle of vodka that could kill me if I drink it all in one night?
Why can't I smoke a few grams of weed to relax after working my arse off all day to support the government with the ridiculous amount of tax they pull from my wages every week.

WHY? WHY? WHY?!!!!!

Clinical tests on weed haven't been done like the clinical tests required on legal drugs for the purpose of selling them.

Governments haven't done tests on weed because they probably haven't worked out how to control the growing, selling and taxing of it yet.

The use of alcohol is an ancient intrenched practice in society and riddled with protectionism and corruption (Eg: Rum plantation owners used to be able to buy seats in British parliament) and it makes buckets of money for governments.

You are able to get into a bit of weed, just don't get caught.

[Mad-V2]

Clinical tests on weed haven't been done like the clinical tests required on legal drugs for the purpose of selling them.

Governments haven't done tests on weed because they probably haven't worked out how to control the growing, selling and taxing of it yet.

The use of alcohol is an ancient intrenched practice in society and riddled with protectionism and corruption (Eg: Rum plantation owners used to be able to buy seats in British parliament) and it makes buckets of money for governments.

You are able to get into a bit of weed, just don't get caught.

You don't need to control anything really, just treat it the same as alcohol.
If your caught with too many plants you pay a fine (2 per household limit)(revenue)
If your caught carrying to much you get a fine (within reason)(revenue)
If your a dealer you go to jail/pay a fine (people won't need dealers as it's freely available anyway)(revenue)
Set up licenced premises to sell for medical use and café's (taxable)(revenue)
Set up a licence for growing large quantities with criminal records/background checks (taxable)(revenue)
The usual no driving and working laws with certain levels of THC in your system (revenue)
Age limit 20
Not to be used in public (the same rules as alcohol)
No advertising

Pretty simple really, alot easier than what we have already and we will all benefit.
I would prefer to see it decriminalised rather than legalised but ALCP are all we have.

[Indiana_Jones]

The hole point of being liberal is every single person in society gets to make their own choice,

You forgot to add on the other bit, they can make their own choices, but have to live with the results of those actions. You can have free reign and then expect others to fix it for you if you don't like the end result.

-Indy

[mashman]

"Prime Minister John Key has waded into the cannabis debate by saying it would be a step in the wrong direction to relax the law.

According to his logic, the Law Commission inquiry into the Misuse of Drugs Act and a similar inquiry by the Global Commission were wrong in their conclusions."

heh heh heh

[mashman]

You forgot to add on the other bit, they can make their own choices, but have to live with the results of those actions. You can have free reign and then expect others to fix it for you if you don't like the end result.

-Indy

the same could be said for any head injury, be it falling off a ladder, coming off a bike, being hit by a car etc... wonder what those stats would look like...