That surveillance bill thingymajig

[Bikemad]

[MisterD]

I thought they could do that now tho??? Thought the idea was to be a law to circumvent the law???

Currently they are allowed to place microphones but not cameras, which seems nonsensical to me.

I don't have a problem with the basic principle, but haven't looked at the detail of the bill.

[Zedder]

They never fail to put a smile on my dial.

[imdying]

Only with a court order of some sort signed by a judge or JP (think search warrant) I would imagine. Sufficient 'reason to suspect' would have to be provided to get said warrant.

I thought they already had that, but this was the one that lets them do it for up to three days without a warrant?

Retrospection is bullshit. If the police were breaking the law by obtaining the evidence they currently have, then two things need to happen:
- The people they have charged should be released
- The police involved should be convicted and imprisoned

Or is it ok to break the law if you're a police officer?

[admenk]

Or is it ok to break the law if you're a police officer?

I'm convinced the majority are fine (just like you and maybe me), sadly for a seemingly growing minority, the answer to that seems to be yes.

I'm totally sure that that lovely smiling Mr Key can be trusted on this one.....(insert Tui ad here)

[puddytat]

And on the Radio just heard that Labour will support the progress of the bill

[SPman]

Or is it ok to break the law if you're a police officer?

The police have been found to be breaking the law in a deliberate and systematic fashion, potentially putting 50 serious criminal cases in jeopardy due to tainted evidence.

But nothing will happen...it seems NZ police is getting more and more like Queensland police.............

All they have to do is amend the Crimes act to allow Video surveillance, but, then, the Crimes Act provisions are limited to organised criminal offending, serious violent offences, and terrorism....that would never do...it seems the police now want carte blanche, to spy on whoever they want........

[imdying]

All they have to do is amend the Crimes act to allow Video surveillance, but, then, the Crimes Act provisions are limited to organised criminal offending, serious violent offences, and terrorism....that would never do...it seems the police now want carte blanche, to spy on whoever they want........

I'm pretty pro the baconators in general, and too lazy to wear a tin foil hat, but it sure does seem that way.

[Zedder]

The police have been found to be breaking the law in a deliberate and systematic fashion, potentially putting 50 serious criminal cases in jeopardy due to tainted evidence.

But nothing will happen...it seems NZ police is getting more and more like Queensland police.............

All they have to do is amend the Crimes act to allow Video surveillance, but, then, the Crimes Act provisions are limited to organised criminal offending, serious violent offences, and terrorism....that would never do...it seems the police now want carte blanche, to spy on whoever they want........

So what? They can spy on me all they want, I don't do anything that calls for me to arrested.

Video surveillance is just about everywhere anyway. If it helps keep me, my family, friends and the wider community safe from crims then I'm fine with it.

[James Deuce]

So what? They can spy on me all they want, I don't do anything that calls for me to arrested.

Video surveillance is just about everywhere anyway. If it helps keep me, my family, friends and the wider community safe from crims then I'm fine with it.

That is precisely how National Socialism asserted its grip on Germany in the '30s.

Thread's over. Godwin's Law FTW.

[oneofsix]

So what? They can spy on me all they want, I don't do anything that calls for me to arrested.

Video surveillance is just about everywhere anyway. If it helps keep me, my family, friends and the wider community safe from crims then I'm fine with it.

yes but wit ha few minor law changes it would be easy to arrange it so you do.
If you think video surveillance is just about everywhere you need to visit Britain. One thing that seems to constantly crop up in Britain is that it doesn't keep you and yours safe, the surveillance is only used how and when the authorities want it not when you get mugged or your bike trashed.

[oneofsix]

That is precisely how National Socialism asserted its grip on Germany in the '30s.

Thread's over. Godwin's Law FTW.

not direct enough to invoke Godwin's law. Your statement requires intelligence or knowledge before Godwin's law is affective therefore you will miss your target.

Propaganda and apathy, the tools of Goebbels

[Zedder]

yes but wit ha few minor law changes it would be easy to arrange it so you do.
If you think video surveillance is just about everywhere you need to visit Britain. One thing that seems to constantly crop up in Britain is that it doesn't keep you and yours safe, the surveillance is only used how and when the authorities want it not when you get mugged or your bike trashed.

Well OO6 when it does look like it's going to change to the general detriment I'll worry about it then.

We're not in Britain but where's your evidence on the Brit surveillance issue? I've seen it used to reduce crime and when in conjunction with a Public Address system to actually stop crime.

[Zedder]

not direct enough to invoke Godwin's law. Your statement requires intelligence or knowledge before Godwin's law is affective therefore you will miss your target.

Propaganda and apathy, the tools of Goebbels

Goebbels was hugely aided by the fact that Germany was recovering from being beaten in a World War, had no direction or economic future and was therefore ripe for the picking. Don't forget the Nazis also burnt books in 1933 to destroy anything that was "un German".

I can't see any comparison of that here.

[Bikemad]

not direct enough to invoke Godwin's law. Your statement requires intelligence or knowledge before Godwin's law is affective therefore you will miss your target.

Propaganda and voter apathy, the tools of every NZ political party

fixed that for ya