Hard Bastards

**Crasherfromwayback** · 12th October 2011, 10:12

Originally Posted by 5150

. He went out and won the race. I believe it was at Donnington if memory servs me right

Yep...he looks well hard mate.

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**5150** · 12th October 2011, 10:15

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Is that the one that has the awesome picture of him bawling his eyes out like a baby? The same guy that criticized Stoner for missing three races due to being dangerously crook? THE same guy that quit half way into a season? OH...that tough guy!!!

The same guy that won 1993 championship on a 500 while Stoner was still crapping in his nappies, and the same guy who tried to win at all costs or crashed trying. And the same guy who retired halfway through 1995 after career ending injuries. yeah, I think it is the same guy. Kevin Schwantz

**5150** · 12th October 2011, 10:17

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Yep...he looks well hard mate.

I don't see you trying.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 12th October 2011, 10:19

Originally Posted by 5150

The same guy that won 1993 championship on a 500 while Stoner was still crapping in his nappies, and the same guy who tried to win at all costs or crashed trying. And the same guy who retired halfway through 1995 after career ending injuries. yeah, I think it is the same guy. Kevin Schwantz

Yep. That's him. The guy that won ONE championship (to Stoners two or more once he's finished). The guy that hasn't won as many races as Stoner. The guy that tried as hard as Stoner did on the Ducati no one could ride. Yep...that's him mate!

**5150** · 12th October 2011, 10:31

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Yep. That's him. The guy that won ONE championship (to Stoners two or more once he's finished). The guy that hasn't won as many races as Stoner. The guy that tried as hard as Stoner did on the Ducati no one could ride. Yep...that's him mate!

Atleast he wasn't as anoying fucking cunt as you are mate

**Deano** · 12th October 2011, 10:38

Originally Posted by 5150

Atleast he wasn't as anoying fucking cunt as you are mate

You lose. You resorted to personal abuse first !!

**imdying** · 12th October 2011, 10:46

Originally Posted by 5150

The same guy that won 1993 championship on a 500 while Stoner was still crapping in his nappies

That's how weak your argument is... you're dissing a guy because he was born after another guy

Number 34 was hard alright, he was just a little short on talent. Mind you it's a good thing he was born when he was, a few years later and he wouldn't have even had a look in. Win or bin just didn't stand up any more.

**eelracing** · 12th October 2011, 10:51

Originally Posted by Deano

You lose. You resorted to personal abuse first !!

He's got a good point tho

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

(to Stoners two or more once he's finished)

Keep it up fella's I think your slowly wearing him down.

**5150** · 12th October 2011, 10:53

Originally Posted by imdying

Number 34 was hard alright, he was just a little short on talent. Mind you it's a good thing he was born when he was, a few years later and he wouldn't have even had a look in. Win or bin just didn't stand up any more.

On that I would probably agree with you, but we were not talking about talent here, we were talking about being hard. My point was that there weren't many guys then or now who were prepared to ride with the injuries he had. Especially with both arms in a cast. Whether he only won one championship or 10 it did not really matter. It was what he was prepared to do to win.

**5150** · 12th October 2011, 10:54

Originally Posted by Deano

You lose. You resorted to personal abuse first !!

I didn't realise we weren't allowed to swoop down to the gutter...

**oneofsix** · 12th October 2011, 10:56

Originally Posted by 5150

I didn't realise we weren't allowed to swoop down to the gutter...

not allowed to desend to the gutter? Who set the rules on this forum?

carry on

**Deano** · 12th October 2011, 11:05

Originally Posted by 5150

On that I would probably agree with you, but we were not talking about talent here, we were talking about being hard. My point was that there weren't many guys then or now who were prepared to ride with the injuries he had. Especially with both arms in a cast. Whether he only won one championship or 10 it did not really matter. It was what he was prepared to do to win.

'Drew' removed a cast only a few days after he broke his hand so he could race in a lowly club event. No world titles involved.

Then he proceeded to clip an inside tyre wall with his fucked hand. He kept racing though.

Thats pretty hard.

**Maha** · 12th October 2011, 11:05

....I once rode with a hangover....

**eelracing** · 12th October 2011, 11:13

These comparing riders from diff era's are always interesting,but ultimately futile.

Willytheekid put up a great arguement for Hailwood but then another arguement would be MV had no real competition back then.(his Isle Of Man record speaks otherwise tho so no arguement from me there)

Schwantz was the man but the Suzuki was a dog at most tracks and only he could ride it at 10/10ths (sound familiar)

Another thing to take into account re. era's are what the bikes were like to ride.
Todays 800's must be complete pussycats to ride compared to the 500 screamers.
Another is the race circuits themselves...back in the day doing 150+mph beside barriers and over cobblestones/railway crossings were accepted.

So who's the hardest? taking all the above into account...Kenny Roberts Snr.The man won a championship with a broken back.