Ducati making progress?

[reggie1198]

Do you know how badly John Brittens bike handled in the grand scheme of things mate? It wasted other bikes of the time with HP, not handling prowess.

It doesn't matter, the point was more about doing it and learning as you go, Ducati won their 1st moto GP title with stoner on a bike that didn't do corners that well, but F@#k me that thing was quick on the straights.
The world is full of people telling you you can't do something, it'll never work, and very few people telling you that you can.
Hence I stand by my original JOHN BRITTON.

[Crasherfromwayback]

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The world is full of people telling you you can't do something, it'll never work, and very few people telling you that you can.
Hence I stand by my original JOHN BRITTON.

Maybe so...but a lot of them say so as they've already tried to no avail.

And it's John BrittEn.

[Edbear]

Maybe so...but a lot of them say so as they've already tried to no avail.

And it's John BrittEn.

The reason the telescopic fork is still being used today, despite being inherently less than ideal is that it has been developed to the point where riders can get the best out of it and it is cheaper to build. In other words, it is all that we as humans need or can use at this time.

Not all technological advances are workable due to the fact that human beings are required to operate it and if it is beyond the human ability to operate it effectively, it is of little value. If telescopic forks couldn't perform to our requirements they would have been ditched many years ago. As with so many bikes these days and with so much technology, it is limited by our ability to utilise it and get the best out of it.

That's why, if you put me, say, on a thou and Shaun on a 250 and set us off on a race track, I'd probably struggle to see which way he went...

Put us both on 600's and give mine the best of everything re: suspension and brakes and deliberately stuff up Shaun's bike settings and the result would still be the same.

If riders of the calibre of Rossi, can't sort the bike, it is pointless pursuing the technology without some reassurance that he will in time get it right and start winning on it.

[reggie1198]

"The reason the telescopic fork is still being used today, despite being inherently less than ideal is that it has been developed to the point where riders can get the best out of it and it is cheaper to build. In other words, it is all that we as humans need or can use at this time."

Until someone comes up with the next big idea - at some point in the past telescopic forks were "the next big idea"

Why not use the electromagnetic dampering on the front forks (like a lot of sports cars are bringing out now) with a circuit that can detect when it's the brakes being used over bumps/deceleration.
It would reduce front end dive under hard braking while still giving a complient ride.

Any reason why this wouldn't work.

[Crasherfromwayback]

It would reduce front end dive under hard braking while still giving a complient ride.

Any reason why this wouldn't work.

We've already had anti dive forks mate. They suck arse.

[reggie1198]

We've already had anti dive forks mate. They suck arse.

lol - there you go then, tried and failed

[Crasherfromwayback]

lol - there you go then, tried and failed

Aye! But Robert Taylor can bring you up to speed with the new Ohlins technology regarding electronic suspension for bikes.

[bogan]

Aye! But Robert Taylor can bring you up to speed with the new Ohlins technology regarding electronic suspension for bikes.

Think he is more talking about the Bose active suspension, which weighs a fair bit, and requires a bit of electricity too.

But didn't I hear something like .5s a lap with ohlins active valved forks due mainly to later braking ability?

either way, they are both banned from pretty much all forms of motorsport I think, arseholes!

[SimJen]

So did you cheer for Stoner when he was WINNING on the Ducati Rossi can't ride?

And good for Checa...but I think it also shows what a sad state WSB has got it's self in.

I cheered for Capirossi actually as I'm not a big Stoner fan!
Stoner walked away with the Philip Island win! First four bikes were Honda's, all considerably faster than the Yamaha's/Dukes/Suzuki.
Honda have really got it right this year, yes the Ducati is fooked but the others aren't doing that well either! The Honda is definately the bike to be on, and coupled with Stoners ability to reel off the consistent laps he has been a force to be reckoned with!

[slowpoke]

It doesn't matter, the point was more about doing it and learning as you go, Ducati won their 1st moto GP title with stoner on a bike that didn't do corners that well, but F@#k me that thing was quick on the straights.

Ducati had also taken the punt on changing from the previously dominant Michelin tyres to Bridgestone, and their timing couldn't have been better. 2007 and Stoner cleaned up on the Bridgestones prompting Rossi to spit the chewy and demand the same. His point was made when he pretty much reversed the shelaccing he'd received the prvious year.

The Ducati did corners just fine. Capirossi/Ducati were right in the hunt for the 2006 championship until that huge Turn 1 crash with Gibernau cruelled htheir season, and even Bayliss stepped in for that epic one off win at Valencia to finish the season so there wasn't much wrong with the bike Stoner inherited.

[gixerracer]

Well done Ducati you are making great progress

[SimJen]

Honda are the only ones in the running now!

[Edbear]

Think he is more talking about the Bose active suspension, which weighs a fair bit, and requires a bit of electricity too.

But didn't I hear something like .5s a lap with ohlins active valved forks due mainly to later braking ability?

either way, they are both banned from pretty much all forms of motorsport I think, arseholes!

Like F1, the technology race has been stalled due to the requirement to keep the racing as close as possible, and mainly reliant on driver/rider ability. I was keenly interested in the tech advances in F1 until it got too expensive and cost came into it affecting the racing results. "The more you spend the more you win." So these days it's more about refining a set of parameters and getting the best out of what is allowed in order that each driver/rider can perform to the best of their ability. T

The teams rely on the chassis and engine gurus to make sure they are at the limits of what they can get out of the bike, and the rest is up to the rider.

It would be fun to have a series where technology can have its head, but I doubt anyone could afford to run one.

[Mental Trousers]

It would be fun to have a series where technology can have its head, but I doubt anyone could afford to run one.

At the moment Moto2 is about the closest there is to this on the World Series scene. The problem is that the bikes have to be quick straight up and sponsorship money is difficult to hold onto so nobody is willing to take a risk on developing a new chassis design or whatever etc. It's all about evolution of the current technology/designs rather than taking a punt on something that is potentially faster but will take time and lots of trial and error to iron out the kinks.

The sponsorship dollar demands results now.

[denill]

Rossi told reporters that everything they have tried so far has not helped. Changing the front subframe, changing the material used to produce it from carbon fiber to aluminium, changing the rear swingarm mount, all this has made no difference to the lack of front-end feel, and Rossi is stuck down in 13th at the end of the first day of practice at Sepang. He is the 5th fastest Ducati, with only Hector Barbera - still recovering from his injuries sustained at Motegi, and incapable of running more than four laps without a pain-killing injection - behind him. Even teammate Nicky Hayden is a lowly 11th, with Karel Abraham and Randy de Puniet ahead of him.

Valentino Rossi won here last year. With a shoulder that was still causing him problems. That was his last victory, with a winless season now a virtual certainty, the first of his career. There is reason to hope that things will be better next year - if not for the massive amount of work done by Ducati in the attempt to find a solution, then because of the different way the 1000s can be ridden, with much less emphasis on front-end grip - but it's been a long and very hard year on everyone at Ducati, not just on Valentino Rossi. His season is taking on shades of Marco Melandri's ill-fated season on the factory Ducati, but without the prospect of an early release from the contract. And more: