Moaning Cafe Owners

[Flip]

Awesome explanation mate , thank you for clarifying that.

I work for Gen-i (a division of telecom), we are contractually obligated to build in redundancy measures for major networks etc, and are also held accountable for impacting loss of service....hence why I could not understand why the gas company didn't have redundancy measures in place and are not being held financially accountable for the loss of service (As the power company's etc are...and a bit pissed at another hike in grocery prices because of this outage)
Your dead right regarding the LPG cylinders and the dairy company's......but that would require commonsense and a little bit of effort (both of which seem to be severely lacking now days!)

Thanks again for the explanation Flip, always good to learn and understand new things.

Good hearing from ya mate, hope all is well (Dog, bike, life in Oamaru etc).....hope to catch up with ya for another ride one day...("sniff"...I still haven't had a go in your awesome side car lol)

Take care

-Willy

But speaking as someone who took out the telecom fiber on the corner of Parkhouse and Curlets rd recently, which shut off every telecom digital service south of Chch, even that system can be taken out. At least a big heavy steel pipe needs a big hit to actually damage it.

The only way the gas customers could claim composation would be due to neglegence. Problem is there are very few gas pipeline experts that are not employed indirectly or directly by the fuel industry and it would be the last job they ever did if they fingered NGC in civil court.

Going great down here. I look forward to going to work each day at the moment and I haven't felt this way for 20 years.

[willytheekid]

But speaking as someone who took out the telecom fiber on the corner of Parkhouse and Curlets rd recently, which shut off every telecom digital service south of Chch, even that system can be taken out.

Going great down here. I look forward to going to work each day at the moment and I haven't felt this way for 20 years.

...we have been looking for you! (bill is in the mail!)

Good to hear everything is going well down there mate (give the dog and the bike a pat for me)

[willytheekid]

You must be joking right.Do you really expect there to be a spare pipeline just sitting there?We are not talking about just a few extra dollars...it would be millions and millions(and millions)I think you will find that just about every electricity,gas,telephone etc retailer has an out clause re damages through loss of service.And the onus for some sort of backup service is on the manufacturers,esp those claiming to be an "essential" industry.

.....did i say anything about a spare pipe line?

Nearly every MAJOR corporate company that WE deal with DO have redundancy plans in place when it comes to electricity, phones and internet supply....so why not gas supply in this case?(Talking about the "essential" industry you mentioned)...be it gas bottles or on site bulk storage for short term use during such outages. (instead of passing the buck on to the little guy at the supermarket)

My point was these large "essential" industry's have NOT planned for a possible outage (in a single point of failure service!), instead they have pushed their loss onto the public (200 million!!)...instead of acknowledging their lack of planning for such a failure, and stepping up and bearing some of the costs incurred.

So at the end of the day, it comes down to planning for "worst case scenario"...and both the large corps and the gas company DIDN'T! do this...and as a result, we the consumer (once again) have to cover the costs at the supermarket. (you seem to have forgotten that these company's make a SHIT load of profit off us already, and should have had these back ups in place, or at least a well formulated plan!)

And the worse thing out of this is....RICE-BUBBLES ARE GOING UP!!

But the good new is.....No beer supply's where effected!!

Cheers for the feed back BMWST, have great weekend...and stock up on rice-bubbles!

-Willy

[Fatt Max]

Its a tragedy when the production of pies are threatened in any way.......

[ckai]

There are two pipelines. There was a time when one was adequate (30 years ago), but as Auckland and the Waikato expanded a second (larger) one was built. It is the larger pipe that is leaking.

I wonder how long it will be before people in Auckland will realise that the geography of New Zealand simply does not support such a large population base in the narrowest part of the country, and requires the majority all energy and water supplies to be transported from a single direction.

Yeah I knew there are two. The busted one is also feckin HUGE compared to the original one. They use the little fella for the residential, hence why they haven't said for residential customers to stop using.

Everything is adequate "30 years ago" haha. This is the problem with not looking forward though. I wonder what the flow through the big bugger is like on a normal day? Would be interesting to know how close to capacity it is.

But you're right. We're a small country geographically, but it's kinda foolish to put all your eggs in one basket (nearly) and not have a plan B.

How fucking difficult would it be to drop a few LPG cylinders in to the cafe and do a quick nat-lpg jet change over on the appliances. Espcially if you were prepared for it. But no, like the wingy poms we are decended from, we go running to the media, or our lawyers rather than do some thing about the problem.

A few Waikato cafes have done just that. Of course, as some have realised, not all appliances can run on both so they've had to switch out all their appliances as well. Like one place said, better to spend thousands now and not lose thousands and thousands in lost revenue.

Yeah I could just see that a couple of years ago when all was well:

Vector/Maui: Hi Mr Cafe owner, would you like to pay an extra 30% on your monthly bill for us to build and maintain a redundant gas line?

Cafe owner: Fuck off.

How long did it take Transpower to sell the idea that it needed to put through a 2nd BIG fuck off line to Auckland? Auckland is only ever gonna get bigger and drain move resources. Nothing stays redundant for long if at all.

Besides, just ends up costing more when you're forced to do it. Take Tauranga for example, the council at the time of building the Mt-Tauranga bridge thought they'd save money by scrapping the plans for a four lanner. Now, it's cost them 10 times as much to put in another crossing. Bugger.

[BMWST?]

.....did i say anything about a spare pipe line?

Nearly every MAJOR corporate company that WE deal with DO have redundancy plans in place when it comes to electricity, phones and internet supply....so why not gas supply in this case?(Talking about the "essential" industry you mentioned)...be it gas bottles or on site bulk storage for short term use during such outages. (instead of passing the buck on to the little guy at the supermarket)

My point was these large "essential" industry's have NOT planned for a possible outage (in a single point of failure service!), instead they have pushed their loss onto the public (200 million!!)...instead of acknowledging their lack of planning for such a failure, and stepping up and bearing some of the costs incurred.

So at the end of the day, it comes down to planning for "worst case scenario"...and both the large corps and the gas company DIDN'T! do this...and as a result, we the consumer (once again) have to cover the costs at the supermarket. (you seem to have forgotten that these company's make a SHIT load of profit off us already, and should have had these back ups in place, or at least a well formulated plan!)

And the worse thing out of this is....RICE-BUBBLES ARE GOING UP!!

But the good new is.....No beer supply's where effected!!

Cheers for the feed back BMWST, have great weekend...and stock up on rice-bubbles!

-Willy

Eiter way we pay..we pay the extra for the lack of planning when supplies are short or we pay a higher price to cover the investment they make for emergency situations...I didnt really think you thought there should be a spare pipeline!

[willytheekid]

Eiter way we pay..we pay the extra for the lack of planning when supplies are short or we pay a higher price to cover the investment they make for emergency situations...I didnt really think you thought there should be a spare pipeline!

Yeah..they certainly seem to put alot of planning into getting money out of us

....bet ya the smaller pipe line has a fault next (And of course we will have to pay for that to be upgraded...oops...I mean "fixed")