POLL: Which voting system do you prefer?

[Mental Trousers]

Anything with a List should be thrown away immediately. So that would leave

• FPP
• PV
• STV

FPP - First Past the Post - we've been there, done that and didn't want it. It's fundamentally wrong to have a government that was elected by less than 45% of voters as happened a number of times. There were even elections where the majority vote lost. Ends up being a two party system with virtually no small parties at all
PV - Preferential Vote - means someone ends up with a majority eventually so you get single party governments. Much harder on the small parties than our current system. Also means we have lots of electorates, each with a single MP
STV - Single Transferable Vote - similar to PV except we get multiple MP's per electorate rather than more electorates. It also means governments are far more likely to be a coalition that the people vote for, rather than a single party ruling or a coalition that the politicians negotiate. Can be bloody complex to sort out the votes.

Of those three I reckon STV gives us the best mix.

[Banditbandit]

STV looks like a reasonable option, it again puts too much power into the hands of the crazies. THe lowest performing candiates drop off the bottom and their votes are given to their second choice ... So in an Electorate that has candidates from the Aotearoa Legalize Cannabis Party, The Natural Law Party, The New Citizens Party, LibertarianNZ ... all get their second choice ... God knows what that might look like ....

So STV places power into the hands of the minorities ... just in a different way to MMP ... and at a different level ... It means we have more chance of getting a Government that the fringe elements want ... not the one that the majority wants ..

[avgas]

I know this sounds crazy but what if we voted on things rather than people?
Voting for people to decide what you can/can't have is so 500BC.

[oldrider]

It's obviously Hobsons choice all over again, only Hobson (the Government) gets the casting vote and if it doesn't suit them, they will just ignore the result!

[Indiana_Jones]

Deciding between FPP* and STV** myself.

-Indy

*Or FFP
**Or STD

[Swoop]

Deciding between FFP and STV myself.

-Indy

Please explain the FFP system...

[Indiana_Jones]

Please explain the FFP system...

Sorry, typo. FPP rather then FFP.

I'm currently prairie-dogging and my mind is elsewhere.

-Indy

[Swoop]

Sorry, typo. FPP rather then FFP.

I'm currently prairie-dogging and my mind is elsewhere.

-Indy

Back to the cube farm then!

[Swoop]

[QUOTE=Coolz;1130186331]

A candidate should not be able to stand for an electorate AND be on the party list. If they lose in their electorate - bye, bye charlie. No second chance through the back door on the list.

They have a system of MMP in Wales where the candidate has to choose to be on either the electrol or party list,not both. Sounds like a good idea to me.

It appears that Winston "no baubles for me" Peters has decided to sit on the party list and hope for the best. Going for an electorate appears far too difficult now.

[avgas]

Deciding between FPP* and STV** myself.

-Indy

*Or FFP
**Or STD

I reckon we need more five fingered prostitutes in parliament. As for getting aids in there, nah things are bad enough already.

[oneofsix]

Please explain the FFP system...

The country is divided in to electorates like what you have for the electorate members now. Rather than just concerning themselves with number of voters represented they worry about setting the electorate boundaries so that they win the most electorates. You only get to vote for the party member in your electorate. The party that wins the most electorates becomes the government, this can happen with as little as a third of the votes, both Labour and National have virtually achieved this and there was a guy somewhere in Europe that managed it as well but he went on to make other changes that gave him even more power.

[Swoop]

The country is divided in to electorates...

That is FPP.

Indy invented the FFP system. Please try and keep up!

[Mental Trousers]

[QUOTE=Swoop;1130186607]

It appears that Winston "no baubles for me" Peters has decided to sit on the party list and hope for the best. Going for an electorate appears far too difficult now.

Being an Electorate MP means you're responsible to your electorate, have a duty to be available to them and help them out. Being on a list means he doesn't have to talk to the peasants.

An extremely good reason for making sure we get a system that doesn't involve Lists of any kind.

[Banditbandit]

Please try and keep up!

Needs a faster bike maybe?

[shrub]

I would like MMP if the parties didn't get to make the lists themselves.

The Greens have a system where the party members vote for the candidates so the more votes you get, the higher you are up the list. Personally I like it because it stops cronyism and represents how the members want to be represented. For filthy commies them Greens are bloody democratic.